[wplug-erie] What ever

Wed Feb 18 19:37:15 EST 2004

All,

Please excuse my short response, I'm studying for a cert test in the morning
and time seems to keep slipping away from me.....  

I'm sorry that Tony feels that the group can not or will not accommodate
him.  Yes, some things were discussed off the list, primarily we discussed
setting aside "planning time" to avoid boring those who were not interested
in the minutia involved in planning.    Several people expressed at the last
meeting the desire to get away from agendas and the like, so I looked at how
WPLUG does it.  Guess what, they maintain two mailing lists and hold
planning meetings outside of the general user meetings.  I figured that
would be a good model for us to emulate, since it works for them.  Our goal
was to provide the structure necessary to maintain the group as well as
satisfy those who have a desire to attend and learn but who were not
necessarily interested in the planning and inner workings of the group.
If the group feels this is the wrong approach than we are free to choose
another.   

Finally, the one remark that amused me the most was this:  

"It is people with your type of attitude that will make sure that Linux
stays right where it is.  In a little room in the library with 5 or 6 people
going out of there way to impress each other instead of into the main
stream"

Perhaps Tony should take a look outside of Tony-land and look around the
world of IT.  Linux is far from being something relegated to a small room of
geeks "trying to impress each other".  Linux IS going mainstream.  IBM is
running Linux commercials during the Superbowl, Google's entire
infrastructure is run on it, Novell has bet the farm on it, and Microsoft is
spending millions running anti-Linux ads.  So yes Tony it is people with our
type of attitudes who will keep Linux right where it is, clawing it's way to
the top of the heap; riding the backs of volunteers all across the world who
are spending our time to support it, be it through a user group, through
writing documentation with the Linux Documentation Project, or the folks who
bang out line upon beautiful line of code.  I'm sorry that Tony won't be
able to say he helped....

Back to the books,

Chris

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From: JustBill [mailto:bill at justbill.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:20 PM
To: wplug-erie at wplug.org
Subject: RE: [wplug-erie] What ever

Tony, 

If you still at least read the archives, I don't see you still listed in the
subscriber list so I'm assuming your last statement in your reply is
accurate, that you will be alone, I feel I should still respond to this.

I'm very confused as to what I've done to offend you?  Did I not post on the
message board some thoughts I've had about the groups, and ask for everybody
to join in and participate for ideas?  Am I not allowed to seek outside
ideas.  I have a buddy who runs www.eriejeeppeople.com
<http://www.eriejeeppeople.com/>  and it is a very successful group.  I
asked him how he did this in Erie, I asked my roommate who has, of recently,
joined in dual booting and is interested in learning more about Linux (btw
he's a Poli-Sci major so I thought he'd have some good ideas on how to run a
group).  I've already mentioned that I asked my girlfriend about advice,
since she works in large office environment, on how to communicate as a
group.  Seems to me I am working at trying to be successful, while you are
working at complaining.  Yes we are 5 to 6 people in a room, but that's how
people get started. Yes I talked about agenda outside of the email
messaging, and when I thought I had some good ideas I SHARED them with the
group at large to get everybody involved.  I apologize if you think that I'm
out to get you or something, I'm not.  I'm not part of any conspiracy or big
government plot to take over the world, nor am I out to take over anything
for that matter.  Democracy sometimes means you don't always get what you
want (though I am confused as to what your not getting), and I'm sorry you
feel you're not getting what you want. 

 I just hope that the other members of our very small community don't keep
seeing the glass half as empty as you do.  From the small amount of
responses so far I can see that not all do.

Sincerely,

Just Bill

www.justbill.org <http://www.justbill.org/> 

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From: wplug-erie-admin at wplug.org [mailto:wplug-erie-admin at wplug.org] On
Behalf Of Tony Azevedo
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:16 PM
To: wplug-erie at wplug.org
Subject: [wplug-erie] What ever

Bill,

What ever you say there Bill.  Sounds like a democracy to me.  A couple of
people talking between themselves and then deciding the agenda for a group.

That may work for others but personally you can take that thought along with
your smart ass mouth and put it where the sun don't shine.  You can take the
group where ever YOU WISH.  I don't care to come along for the ride.

I guess I was just too stupid to think that the core group would be on an
equal playing field.  If the previous attempts to start an ErieLUG were run
by people such as yourself I see now why they all failed.  And I can also
see that this will fail.

You have a pompous arragant attitude there Bill but I see you wear it very
well.  I think it is just a shame that people such as yourself are allowed
to represent a Linux group.

It is people with your type of attitude that will make sure that Linux stays
right where it is.  In a little room in the library with 5 or 6 people going
out of there way to impress each other instead of into the main stream.

And yes Bill you have answered all my questions with good answers.  You have
proven to me that you are the type of person that I don't care to associate
with now or in the future. 

Thanks but no thanks.  I'll continue on by myself.

Tony

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