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[Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:29:37 PM] Hello world [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:29:47 PM] Howdy [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:29:58 PM] hey [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:30:45 PM] Well, I guess us and this gaggle of lurkers is about all we can expect. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:30:54 PM] I'm hear [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:08 PM] Whois Couch_Potato is ~quassel@pool-74-98-253-222.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net (TGolightly) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:08 PM] Whois Couch_Potato is a user on channels: #wplug [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:09 PM] Whois Couch_Potato is online via pratchett.freenode.net (Rennes, France). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:09 PM] Whois Couch_Potato has been idle for 14 seconds. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:09 PM] Whois Couch_Potato has been online since 03/28/13 07:27:58 PM. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:31:09 PM] Whois End of WHOIS list. 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[Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:32:06 PM] Join b1g1r0n has joined this channel (~b1g1r0n@c-24-3-136-14.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:32:59 PM] Alright, now that I've got this logging... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:33:05 PM] We might as well begin. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:33:13 PM] The four of us are here, and if anyone else shows up, that's dandy. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:11 PM] sounds good [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:13 PM] Okay, so we've got a few things to talk about. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:20 PM] Here's the list I sent out: [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:29 PM] -Settling on a design for the new WPLUG Web site [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:29 PM] -Hosting a private, Web-based RSS reader for our members in light of Google Reader shutting down [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:29 PM] -Finalizing our move to a new meeting location that doesn't charge for meeting space [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:29 PM] -Events for April [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:29 PM] -Delicious, delicious Easter candy [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:34:48 PM] Let's start with the Web site. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:35:09 PM] Did the lot of you have a chance to look over the designs I showed you at the board meeting? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:35:19 PM] And do you have anything you'd like to present? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:35:26 PM] Quit b1g1r0n has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:35:54 PM] I like the !LesPaul theme, to be honest. It looked really good. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:36:36 PM] I'm sorry but that had completely slipped my mind can you send me the url? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:36:37 PM] I haven't found anythng in the Joomla! world that seemed any better [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:36:47 PM] Sure Terry, hold on... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:37:21 PM] LesPaul: http://themeforest.net/item/lespaul-retina-responsive-wordpress-theme/4083224 [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:37:35 PM] Souffle: http://themeforest.net/item/souffle-responsive-retina-multipurpose-theme/4122675?sso?WT.ac=search_item&WT.seg_1=search_item&WT.z_author=mothemes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:37:49 PM] CoWorker: http://themeforest.net/item/coworker-responsive-multipurpose-template/3981356?sso?WT.ac=search_item&WT.seg_1=search_item&WT.z_author=SemiColonWeb [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:38:04 PM] the live preview for lespaul is a bit busy, but i would think that is because they want to show everything off [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:38:30 PM] Yes, that's how they all are. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:39:10 PM] From my understanding, you don't have to use features you don't want to use, right? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:39:12 PM] In the interest of fairness, Pat, a Joomla theme doesn't necessarily have to be better than any of those. If it's equivalent, maybe there's some aspect of usage that would tip the scales in Joomla's favor. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:39:47 PM] Yes, exactly. The live preview is just to show off as many things as possible. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:39:59 PM] none of these themes appear to scale in firefox tabs [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:40:13 PM] on my desktop [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:40:46 PM] they respond in chrome just fine [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:41:02 PM] I'm using Firefox and they scale just fine. You have to make the window really skinny for it to work, though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:41:19 PM] (Probably because that's how it would look on a smartphone) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:41:20 PM] with respect to c5 themes, there are some nice ones, but from what i can tell, c5 will always make you do a bit more work than i suspect the wp ones do [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:41:25 PM] I am guessing making it really skinny emulates a mobile view [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:42:37 PM] The ones I've seen for Joomla! (at least the ones I've found) all seem to be geared towards flashy/sales-y sites, so the comaprison might not be quite fair [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:42:44 PM] okay how about in the LesPaul theme the little menu top left side. Does that have a special name? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:43:30 PM] not sure what you're referring to, Couch_Potato [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:43:40 PM] From what I am familiar with, navigation like that is said to be "docked" [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:43:59 PM] Ah okay a docked menu? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:44:35 PM] This one doesn't exactly go out of it's way to tell you what the little buttons do (on IE ... yeah, I know, for shame...), but yeah. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:45:32 PM] I'm not exactly sure what the two of you are referring to. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:45:42 PM] me neither [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:46:04 PM] Looking at thing on upper left side, with something that looks like a leaf, then a life preserver, then a megaphone [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:46:16 PM] On the first page of the Lespaul theme is yes pat sees it [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:46:47 PM] i don't see what you're talking about...at all [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:46:57 PM] Neither do I. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:46:59 PM] must show different things to different browsers [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:08 PM] Perhaps [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:16 PM] in linux on chrome here [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:20 PM] will fire up firefox [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:23 PM] I'm using Firefox on Linux. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:29 PM] Same here [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:37 PM] I also see it on Firefox on Win 7 [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:47:39 PM] Firefox on OpenSUSE, to be precise. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:48:23 PM] Try pushing cursor out to the left side of the screen, maybe it'll pop out for you [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:48:51 PM] No, nothing. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:48:55 PM] i don't see in in firefox here either [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:49:03 PM] Maybe it has to do with resolution. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:49:07 PM] Click on the life perserver u get Envarto Support [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:49:29 PM] Will e-mail a screen shot [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:49:30 PM] Its just below the ! in the !LesPaul Theme [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:49:58 PM] there's a slider under the ! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:50:02 PM] that's all i'm seeing [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:50:04 PM] Yeah, that's what I see as well. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:50:17 PM] The menus are in the same row as the LesPaul logo. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:50:29 PM] What's your resolution, Couch_Potato? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:50:42 PM] I believe it is hdmi. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:51:17 PM] Mine is 1440x900, but I also see it if I reduce the size of the window [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:51:24 PM] no I"m wrong! its 1680X1050. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:51:31 PM] My monitor is 1900x1200. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:51:43 PM] Ahh, I see. I just received Pat's email. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:51:58 PM] Well, that's not part of the theme. You want to click on Live Preview. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:00 PM] Either of you have Javascript disabled or something? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:07 PM] Oh ... OK [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:18 PM] Well maybe it is somewhere else in that tab. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:25 PM] There we go... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:28 PM] Once you click the Live Preview button, that will bring up a new tab with the actual theme [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:49 PM] Docked menu is absent from the actual theme... Must be part of their gallery theme. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:52:50 PM] yeah, i was only looking at live, as i closed the other tabs right away [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:54:06 PM] Take a few moments and look over the themes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:54:33 PM] In the mean time, Joe, since it sounds like you have already looked over these... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:54:43 PM] Would the extra effort in Concrete5 be worth it? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:55:01 PM] I mean, is there some sort of extra feature that we would benefit from? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:55:12 PM] I guess the interface is one of the main attractions. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:55:46 PM] well, one of the c5 problems is that sometimes you have to get additional addons to get the functionality you need. i could see the price going up in a hurry. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:56:02 PM] most c5 themes have what they advertise, but sometimes they want you to buy something else. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:56:25 PM] Join b1g1r0n has joined this channel (~b1g1r0n@c-24-3-136-14.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:56:35 PM] but um, to directly answer the question, it may indeed be easier with WP, as long as they make it easy to add content. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:56:39 PM] What, you mean like they include trial versions of some things? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:57:00 PM] well, they might not include the slider they use or something, for instance [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:57:11 PM] Well, "easy" is a variable term. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:57:24 PM] Ahhh, I see. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:57:26 PM] yeah, it is [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:58:17 PM] Well, if ease of use is a concern, we could set up a WordPress instance and see how readily the three of you take to it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:58:37 PM] It's easy to me, but only because I use it for my personal site. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:58:58 PM] Who knows? You may like it. I tried KDE after not using it for years and now I'm crazy about it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:59:36 PM] If it's easy to use and helps to keep our costs down - at least, as they compare to C5 - it could be a strong contender. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [07:59:51 PM] same as how c5 makes sense to me. would have helped if i actually made a mockup site though. could see doing it pretty fast with a theme like this: http://demo.c5mix.com/index.php?theme=slate&skin=default [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:00:05 PM] yeah, i think WP could indeed be the way to go [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:00:08 PM] I like Joomla! mostly from the admin side (which is, of course, not what users are interested in), but most of the themes I've looked at are "busy" and messy, and seem like they're mostly intended to show off the author's experitse in designing themes... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:00:33 PM] That's a very nice C5 theme. Nice and clean. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:00:45 PM] Quit b1g1r0n has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:00:48 PM] Indeed [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:01:17 PM] Nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:02:00 PM] the WP ones are nice though since they give you a good idea how to do something like an about page [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:02:23 PM] i could see having to code stuff by hand to do that in c5 since all the themes tend to just give you generic kind of page types [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:02:54 PM] That's a good point. Do the Joomla themes include page templates, Pat? I.E. on LesPaul, you can see what their FAQ page and About US page look like. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:03:21 PM] In all fairness, it may just be a matter of looking at a particular place for Joomla themes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:03:26 PM] Trying to find a decent example [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:03:42 PM] so yeah, i could see there being quite a bit of lost time in c5 re-engineering something that we get for free with WP. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:04:13 PM] What about support and documentation for Joomla and C5? Do they include manuals, and is support offered by the developer? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:04:25 PM] all of the RocketTheme ones i told you about are super-busy for the most part [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:04:44 PM] c5 devs are required to give support. if they don't, you get your money back. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:04:54 PM] some themes have good documentation, and some don't. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:05:15 PM] Like, here's an example I pulled out of thin air (not because it'd be suitable for us, just to show what I've seen in terms of theme sites): http://www.templatemonster.com/joomla-templates/43724.html [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:06:12 PM] I see. Like the Concrete5 example Joe posted, it looks like this doesn't come with page templates. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:06:20 PM] Pricey [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:06:43 PM] Yeah, most of the ones I've seen have been in the $75 range [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:07:13 PM] u get that only for single site license otherwise they hit you hard. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:07:25 PM] This particular site also worries me in that it offers an "exclusive license", which makes me wonder if they can yank your license for the them if someone buys the exclusive later. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:07:46 PM] Interesting observation [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:07:58 PM] The devil is in the details [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:08:05 PM] Yes, that's a very good point. We want stability. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:08:10 PM] -or rather must be in [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:08:35 PM] yes, indeed [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:08:47 PM] But like you observed Centinel, I may just not be looking in good places [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:08:58 PM] UI design is not my strength... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:09:21 PM] Well, we're all just taking shots in the dark here. I just happened to come across ThemeForest. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:09:41 PM] We do have to consider time, though. This project needs to get rolling. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:10:00 PM] It would be helpful if we had some way of determining whether this sort of provider is typical of Joomla theme vendors. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:10:37 PM] Yes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:10:49 PM] Looks like ThemeForest has some too, actually [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:08 PM] Some what? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:08 PM] Some are 'intelligent' [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:14 PM] i can ask my buddy jim about other joomla template sites. he seems mostly into rockettheme though [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:22 PM] Joomla! themes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:22 PM] google give 30million + results [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:53 PM] Oh. Yeah, I didn't think to look at those. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:11:53 PM] yes joomla! themes:) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:12:25 PM] Like, here's one that doesn't look too bad: http://themeforest.net/item/quick-host-business-and-hosting-joomla-template/2177038?WT.ac=category_thumb&WT.seg_1=category_thumb&WT.z_author=templatesquare [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:12:38 PM] (Just from 60 seconds of looking) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:13:27 PM] Looks like ThemeForest has some pretty good stuff all around. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:13:45 PM] Alright, how about this... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:13:59 PM] I don't think we're going to come to a decision on this tonight. I doubted we would, to be honest, because this is a big decision. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:13:59 PM] yeah, definitely some nice stuff. darn, i gotta let doggies out. bb in a few. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:14:19 PM] but we do need to bear down on it, otherwise it will languish forever. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:14:20 PM] bb [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:14:23 PM] Let's narrow the WordPress themes down to an "ideal" one we can use in comparing to the other options. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:14:47 PM] Then, let's agree to consider themes from ThemeForest, since we've had some good luck so far, and maybe RocketThemes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:15:10 PM] Those could be our two potential vendors. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:15:27 PM] If we want, I have my "test" VM on Linode that I was going to tear down (so I can stop paying for it), but I can keep it another couple months and offer it up as a playpen to do stuff on. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:15:54 PM] Sure, keep it up if you want. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:16:05 PM] Not a problem if it would help us out. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:16:38 PM] Joe's right, though - we do need to bear down on this. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:16:55 PM] I mean, I can advertise the group, but I need something TO advertise, you know? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:17:13 PM] If we put up a fancy poster and they to WPLUG.org only see a dilapidated-looking wiki... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:17:25 PM] That's several years out of date... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:18:22 PM] Personally, of the WordPress themes, I like LesPaul. It's got a very stylish design, and it's very well-documented. You can actually see the manual, and it guides you through virtually everything you would need to do on a WordPress site using LesPaul. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:18:52 PM] As far as WP themes go, I'm in agreement with you - I prefer the !LesPaul theme over the others [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:18:57 PM] Soufflufle has nice popups [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:21:24 PM] yeah, i think for now we should count c5 out. if i happen to find one that is anything good that has pre-defined pages and meets our other criteria, i'll bring it up. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:21:43 PM] but i have my doubt due to the nature of c5 in that realm. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:21:45 PM] to be honest I really don't know how to judge a theme [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:21:47 PM] and yes, les pail is nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:21:57 PM] lespaul too. :) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:22:03 PM] Well, Joe's the expert on C5, so I'll take his word for it. It's down to WordPRess and Joomla. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:22:22 PM] There are a couple of things to consider when judging a theme... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:22:37 PM] First, how it looks. This is pretty subjective, but it should be visually attractive AND distinct. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:22:57 PM] You also want to consider how well it looks on mobile devices, since those are...well, the future. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:23:10 PM] Also, what goodies does it include, like page templates? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:23:21 PM] yeah, the theme must be responsive [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:23:23 PM] Finally, you want to look at support and documentation. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:24:57 PM] yep, the documentation like that provided with lespaul is pretty substantial and useful. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:25:25 PM] Yes looking at les is nice. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:25:31 PM] That's the part I often overlook - documentation and support [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:25:56 PM] Souffle claims to be well-documented as well, but there's no way to view the manual unless you buy the theme. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:26:24 PM] That's my only real hangup with it, honestly. It's otherwise a very nice theme, and it even has a few legs up on LesPaul in terms of interface, like how you can insert tooltips with ease. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:26:36 PM] On the other hand, it doesn't support swipe gestures like LesPaul. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:26:47 PM] If you swipe that big scrolling image area on the main page, for instance, you can move it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:28:05 PM] yeah, something i need to do is actually try all of these on mobile to try out these things. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:28:59 PM] Well can we accept !LesPaul? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:29:54 PM] I'd be fine with giving it a go. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:30:12 PM] Like I said, it's my fave of the WP themese [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:30:46 PM] So how would we set up a test site with that theme? We have to buy it first? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:31:04 PM] Yes, we'd have to buy it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:31:30 PM] I think it's going to be that way no matter what we do, so we'd better make certain that we know what we're getting into. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:31:40 PM] Too bad they don't do trials, but I guess there's no practical way to do so [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:31:46 PM] exactly [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:32:07 PM] What is our risk and benefits [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:32:19 PM] are there any sample sites made with lespaul? admit i like that feature in the c5 marketplace, as it shows you what is possible. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:32:39 PM] Maybe we could write to the developer and ask him if he knows of any. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:32:43 PM] obviously we can gauge it from the live demo quite well. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:32:59 PM] but i like to see other samples if i can. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:33:41 PM] Where does it mention what formats of files that can be used [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:34:14 PM] Couch_Potato: what do you mean by that? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:34:15 PM] In what regard? Like, pictures we could put up? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:34:32 PM] ogg mp3 etc [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:34:43 PM] that's handled by the browser [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:34:49 PM] I don't think it comes with anything like that. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:35:06 PM] I know that you can get different plugins for playing music files in a dedicated player, though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:35:13 PM] Ok then render unto the browser what the browser does [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:35:19 PM] That's how WordPress handles most of its functionality - thru plugins. It's like Firefox. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:36:03 PM] So we need a good idea of what plugins we would need. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:36:33 PM] Yes, but we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves at this point. Unless I'm mistaken, we want to still consider Joomla as well, right? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:00 PM] If so, then we need to find "the" Joomla theme and pit it against LesPaul, which I assume is "the" WordPress theme. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:06 PM] yeah, i think we should use lespaul as the baseline, and try to make a decision in totality quite soon. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:22 PM] As opposed to Joomla. Does it use plugins as well? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:25 PM] I think we should poke at it a little, but I wouldn't do too much hand-wringing over it. It's really a matter of taste, at the end of the day. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:41 PM] modules, yet, it has those. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:37:45 PM] yet = yes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:07 PM] plugins=modules :-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:10 PM] So let's mark down LesPaul for WordPress and try to narrow down our Joomla options. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:23 PM] well, drupal calls them modules [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:28 PM] er, joomla too [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:30 PM] Let's look on ThemeForest and RocketThemes. That will narrow our options and expedite the process. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:40 PM] Here's the generic Joomla! demo site: http://demo.joomla.org [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:51 PM] okey dokey [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:38:52 PM] rocketthemes also has WP templates that mirror the joomla ones [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:39:03 PM] so the cms is less important to some regard [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:39:56 PM] Perhaps. ThemeForest has many more WordPress themes than Joomla themes, it seems. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:39:59 PM] bbr [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:40:14 PM] Well, unless anyone else has any comments, we'll mark that done and move on. Anything else? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:40:28 PM] Also: http://www.joomla.org/3/en - claims to be mobile-ready out of the box [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:40:39 PM] (info on latest Joomla! 3.0 version) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:40:57 PM] yes, let's move on to the next topic [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:41:08 PM] Responsive in the user interface AND administrative interface...interesting. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:41:24 PM] Well, I imagine we'll have a lot to consider, then. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:41:55 PM] next [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:00 PM] Okay, the next item on the list is setting up an RSS reader for our WPLUG members. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:22 PM] pat has dug into this a bit [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:29 PM] As you all have probably heard, Google Reader is shutting down at the end of July. It is (was?) a Web-based RSS feed aggregator and reader used by many people. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:31 PM] like a firefox plugin? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:49 PM] Think Akregator in a Web site. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:42:52 PM] google reader is being discontinued? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:43:02 PM] Yes, they're pulling the plug on it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:43:03 PM] Yeah, Google Reader == dead soon. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:43:10 PM] sorry I'll google it [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:43:23 PM] So what have you got for us, Pat? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:43:33 PM] Great controversy over this decision of theirs. Part of their "more wood behind less arrows" strategy. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:44:22 PM] Well, I have no reservations about actually doing it. Of all the options we talked about via e-mail, Tiny Tiny RSS seems like the best bet. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:44:58 PM] The biggest issue is that it may involve some retooling on the server to bring PHP up to date. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:45:15 PM] We don't want to break the wiki, for instance. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:46:05 PM] But I think it's a good idea, and wouldn't really cost us anything if we can get the underlying bits up to snuff. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:46:34 PM] As you saw from my e-mail a few days ago, we have plenty of bandwidth, that's not a worry. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:46:41 PM] What feeds would be available? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:46:55 PM] Whatever feeds you want to be available, as I understand it. User decides. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:46:59 PM] Any Web site that offers an RSS feed. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:47:11 PM] Some blogs even offer RSS feeds. WE could offer an RSS feed on the new site. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:47:42 PM] To give some context to Tiny Tiny RSS, I think it's our best choice for a number of reasons. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:47:50 PM] First, it's GPL V3 software, and I love the GPL. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:48:09 PM] It also includes support for keyboard shortcuts reminiscent of VIM or EMACS or yes, even Google Reader. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:48:23 PM] You can also import your feed list from Google Reader directly into Tiny Tiny RSS. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:48:49 PM] Finally, as long as you can get your PHP lined up, it's darn simple to set up and maintain. I put it on my home server earlier this week, and I've been using it for a few days now. It's addictive...and amazing. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:49:22 PM] very cool, i may have to set up an instance as well to play around with. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:49:34 PM] Oh, and there's an Android app. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:49:55 PM] That's the other thing that really makes it interesting for me. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:50:11 PM] Check your messages from a few days ago, jprostko - I sent you the address to my instance of Tiny Tiny RSS with login instructions for a WPLUG test account. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:52:18 PM] Here's the real value in setting up TT-RSS for our members: the alternatives to Google Reader are getting hammered due to the mass user exodus. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:52:32 PM] This will be private, it won't be taken down, and it won't be congested. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:52:49 PM] It's a huge plus for membership, and this alone may entice people to join. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:53:01 PM] Centinel: my bad. not sure how i overlooked it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:53:08 PM] A WPLUG membership costs less than a yearly subscription to a paid RSS reader provider. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:53:34 PM] And best of all, if they decide to take their feeds elsewhere, TT-RSS makes it easy to migrate. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:54:06 PM] And even if 40 or 50 people are using it, we're not going to have capacity problems. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:55:37 PM] If we get more than 40 or 50 members, heck, we'd have plenty of money to buy more bandwidth. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:56:07 PM] yeah, we should definitely pursue it [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:56:54 PM] I certainly think so. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:56:58 PM] The real issue is just ensuring we don't step on the wiki. That, and maybe needing to extract the MySQL admin credentials out of someone who has them. :) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:57:14 PM] None of this should be insurmountable. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:57:55 PM] Couch_Potato: Any thoughts from you? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:58:43 PM] I'm not sure that I understand akregator on a web page. I'm looking at your server now. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:16 PM] So what you have up there now is just tt rss's support feeds? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:27 PM] Yes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:43 PM] But a user can bring in whatever feed they want. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:45 PM] We could add a feed for just for the need for feed [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:55 PM] If you go to Actions -> Subscribe to Feed, you can paste in a feed to subscribe to. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [08:59:55 PM] And they can read it from anywhere. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:00:19 PM] Like, I have RSSOwl on my machine at home, but my feeds are all on the machine - so if I go to another machine somewhere, I do not have my feeds. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:00:27 PM] So if I'm on a web page with a link to a feed I could add that link here? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:00:38 PM] That's correct. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:00:55 PM] You can also set up Firefox so that it knows to add RSS feed links directly to Tiny Tiny RSS when you click on them. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:10 PM] Go to Actions -> Preferences. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:16 PM] in FF? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:19 PM] yeah, it's pretty slick [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:20 PM] Then, in the Preferences screen, open up the Feeds tab up top. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:21 PM] Yes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:01:37 PM] Then, once you're in the Feeds tab, open the bar that says "Firefox integration." [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:02:20 PM] I don't see this on the server camlan.us [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:02:40 PM] oh wait on the right [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:02:44 PM] Yes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:03:15 PM] preferences->feeds [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:03:56 PM] Yes, and after you're into the Feeds tab, there are 5 bars with different options. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:04:08 PM] Feeds, OPMP, Firefox integration, Published & shared articles, and BOokmarklets. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:04:14 PM] Open up the Firefox integration bar. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:04:25 PM] *OPML [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:04:57 PM] Tiny Tiny RSS could actually help us cultivate the WPLUG community in several ways. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:05:01 PM] Done! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:05:25 PM] If we use its "linking" feature, we could connect people's accounts together. What this does is Tiny Tiny RSS looks at the feeds everyone subscribes to and then generates a list of "Popular feeds" in the main page. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:05:36 PM] That could help us discover new and exciting content from each other. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:05:41 PM] We could follow their feeds? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:05:56 PM] You can also share stories you like by publishing them to an RSS feed. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:06:02 PM] Which people could then subscribe to. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:06:09 PM] Hmm I like that. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:06:24 PM] like a mini blog [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:06:30 PM] w/o the overhead [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:06:43 PM] Yes, indeed. You can even add comments to the stories you "publish." [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:07:14 PM] nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:07:20 PM] Feel free to explore the instance on my server and use it for a few days. I think you'll like it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:07:40 PM] I think we need to do this! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:08:14 PM] Assuming we can get the suppporting bits in line, it effectively costs us nothing. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:08:20 PM] find a way to integrate this with membership database. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:08:44 PM] A beautiful thing indeed! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:09:09 PM] I think we should prioritize this ahead of the Web site. We need to strike while the iron is hot. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:09:32 PM] We can start with a manually built authentication DB, but (admittedly, not having looked at it) I am guessing there is a way to integrate authentication with a MySQL DB or LDAP directory. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:09:49 PM] I agree with the prioritization, especially since it should be a quick job. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:10:16 PM] But I thought that the members roles weren't redily available? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:10:19 PM] I know it supports LDAP authentication thru a plug-in. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:10:31 PM] They aren't - not yet... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:10:43 PM] So, separate DB for now - just to get bootstrapped. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:11:22 PM] Yeah, shouldn't be too bad to put members into a db [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:11:27 PM] We might in the future need to stipulate part of membership requires allowing us to store the minimum of personal data in the DB [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:11:41 PM] I don't think that's an unreasonable request. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:11:47 PM] Some are exceedingly paranoid... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:12:35 PM] I agree but ... We should be able to attract more less paranoid folks with better 'stuff' :-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:12:50 PM] This is true - but I think even among those, there is general agreememnt that it would be useful to have some kind of member DB at this point, Vance was working on it when he was on the board. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:12:56 PM] Let me be more positive about this [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:13:47 PM] Yeah a demographics can be encrypted into a hash [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:13:55 PM] then smokes;> [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:13:57 PM] d [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:14:27 PM] Ha! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:14:53 PM] alright, so we agree to go forward with this [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:14:55 PM] Alright, let's make it our priority to work on this. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:15:07 PM] absitively posilutely [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:15:25 PM] I can't offer much help with the technical aspects, but since I'm familiar with this, if you have any interface-related questions, feel free to ask. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:15:41 PM] k, sounds good [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:15:55 PM] Oh, and try out the Android app as well. Get it from F-Droid's app store so you don't have to worry about buying an activation key. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:16:12 PM] There are actually two Android apps - one is called Tiny Tiny RSS and the other, which is a fork, is called Tiny Tiny RSS Reader. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:16:18 PM] can I get the chair to get the head of the internet committee to reset my username password for our server [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:16:24 PM] The one called Tiny Tiny RSS, the official app, is the one to go for. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:16:38 PM] and w/o fear or favor email it to me? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:16:40 PM] The head of the Internet Committee isn't here - but I am. :-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:17:03 PM] oh indeed indeed:-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:17:48 PM] Okay, then, it's settled. Moving on... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:17:49 PM] I will e-mail you a temp password, but I want you to change it right away using the "passwd" command. It will be a jumble of gobbldygook, so I guarantee you'll want to change it immediately anyway. ;-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:04 PM] otay [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:04 PM] Events. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:19 PM] I login using ssh? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:25 PM] Yes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:34 PM] kewl [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:40 PM] Events. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:18:57 PM] April, I assume, is going to be our "social" month. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:19:09 PM] We've got to settle our plans for the bowling night. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:20:08 PM] Yes Friday or Saturday night or Sunday Day? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:20:13 PM] April 18-21 conflicts with Notacon, though I don't know how many people plan to go. Just FYI. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:20:31 PM] Not a con? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:20:45 PM] Literally, yes. http://www.notacon.org [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:21:08 PM] (I may go, still undecided... Though hotel reservation deadline is passed.) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:21:09 PM] I've never heard of that. It sounds interesting, though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:21:38 PM] yeah, i'm not familiar with it either. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:21:47 PM] Well, we usually hold our GUMs on the second Saturday of each month. We could schedule it for then, but would two weeks' lead time be adequate? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:22:28 PM] Looking at the calendar, I see that I'm imagining things because I'm too tired. We'd have THREE weeks' lead time if we did that. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:22:34 PM] Nah Noone will got there its in Cl*v#l*nd [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:22:36 PM] would be fine, but if we get other groups involved (like we intended) i don't think it's enough [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:22:38 PM] I think two weeks is OK for the event. If you want to hold a short business meeting prior to do the absentee ballot thing, we have to consider that. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:22:51 PM] Though good point about other groups [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:23:10 PM] 3 weeks should be enough though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:23:49 PM] Well, 2 1/2. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:00 PM] That's assuming we sent it out today or whatever. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:11 PM] Don't listen to me, I'm in tired mode. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:12 PM] We need to find our target bowlers quickly. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:24 PM] Same here I'm whooped [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:38 PM] whupt [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:24:45 PM] I can relate... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:00 PM] * jprostko yawns [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:28 PM] but yes, we need to pick the venue and other groups we'd like to invite [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:29 PM] Alright, so...the second Saturday may not be enough lead time, Notacon is on the third Saturday, and the fourth Saturday may be too late. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:47 PM] so, you think a weeknight? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:54 PM] or a sunday? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:25:55 PM] well, a sunday is definately not a good day to die. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:26:04 PM] Only put a small amount of stock in the Notacon thing - last time I went, I think I was the only Pittsburgh person there. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:26:18 PM] Shut up, monkeybot. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:26:18 PM] patbarron: pardon moi? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:26:26 PM] Why monkeybot why? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:27:21 PM] I guess we could do it on a different day, but Saturday seems to be pretty ideal. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:27:21 PM] Centinel: You said the word! It was "pretty". I had learned that word from jprostko on Thu Mar 28 21:01:39 2013. That was fun. I'll pick a new word in a few minutes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:27:36 PM] What day do geeks,nerds and hackers find to be the day to unwind? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:28:03 PM] Saturday night is a big bowling night in the winter months... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:28:42 PM] actually,,,, a Saturday night late in April might be just fine. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:29:22 PM] depending on league schedules [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:29:22 PM] If Pat's experience holds true, I don't think there should be a problem going with the third Saturday. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:29:41 PM] Join b1g1r0n has joined this channel (~b1g1r0n@c-24-3-136-14.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:29:59 PM] If we're going to the Neville Island place, is there an issue with leagues there? They might not even have leagues if it's just a "fun" venue. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:20 PM] ah, just discovered i put my wallet through the washer and dryer. ugh. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:32 PM] but anyway, neville does have leagues. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:35 PM] now that really sucks [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:37 PM] think they're on weekdays [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:51 PM] Well, at least nobody can accuse you of having dirty money now. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:30:54 PM] Leagues its how lanes make dough [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:31:11 PM] wack wack wack [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:32:25 PM] I'm fine with Neville Island as long as you're certain it would have sufficient capacity. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:32:27 PM] is our old new visitor a bot of some kind? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:33:57 PM] So who all do we reach out to? And do we set a max number of attendees to keep it manageable, or just try to take over the place? :-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:34:33 PM] Gosh you really think we could get thirty or forty people? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:34:54 PM] Depending on how many groups we contact, I don't think thirty or forty is unreasonable. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:35:09 PM] We could advertise on cmu and Pitt campus's [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:35:29 PM] eventbrite and mandatory rsvp [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:36:00 PM] state up front pay to play is in effect [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:36:10 PM] I don't want to be all hard-line, but I was thinking the same - mainly because I don't want people to show up and find that they can't be accommodated and leave disappointed. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:36:47 PM] That's probably a good idea. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:36:50 PM] advertise for teams or just anybody come out. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:36:59 PM] Cat destroying the house, brb... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:37:22 PM] mine comes and goes I ignore her;-> [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:37:35 PM] brb as well [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:37:39 PM] We should - or rather, I should, since I'm in charge of promotion - send our personal invitations to at least a handful of groups that are likely to want to come. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:37:42 PM] Quit b1g1r0n has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:37:57 PM] Cats: taking over the world, one house at a time. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:38:06 PM] (Mine starts knocking things off of tables and shelves when he's feeling neglected...) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:38:10 PM] yeah, and then that will help the planning, for sure [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:39:15 PM] I think Hack Pittsburgh, PGH Python, and PGH Ruby would be good to invite. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:39:22 PM] Not really familiar with many others. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:40:13 PM] Also the SNAPGH people? They promote their own events on our wiki, so we should make a special effort to reach out to them. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:40:29 PM] That would be a good start. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:41:08 PM] That's pretty much a lot, I would hope we'd get a good number of people just from those groups [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:41:20 PM] She attacks furniture with her 6mm claws:-( [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:41:27 PM] Sure. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:08 PM] Before we wrap this one up, I do think we should have some sort of "gimmick" in this bowling night to make sure people are interested to come out. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:20 PM] I mean, yeah, getting to socialize is nice, but we want to make sure this will really be a success. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:26 PM] a techy pinata? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:29 PM] We talked about team bowling before. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:38 PM] Yes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:44 PM] I'd love to hit a pinata of Apple. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:54 PM] can't wait brb [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:42:55 PM] Or maybe Steve Ballmer. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:43:04 PM] Or maybe Steve Ballmer eating an apple. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:43:18 PM] Ha... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:43:25 PM] I am socially inept, so I will have to leave the side-games to you... :-) WHen I was bowling regularly, it was always serious, serious league bowling... ;-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:43:42 PM] (Don't worry, it's been years, I can probably barely break 100 now... ;-) ) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:44:00 PM] Well, you can't possibly be worse than me. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:44:04 PM] pinata could be fun. need it chanting "developers, developers, developers!" though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:45:52 PM] If we knew better the mix of people, we could pit developers against sysadmins. Make it sort of like real life. ;-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:06 PM] Yeah, it would be like real life...I'd fall between the cracks. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:20 PM] I think it should either be team bowling or poker bowling. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:28 PM] Or maybe a combination of the two...who knows. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:53 PM] Poker bowling, if you can't remember, works like this: every time someone on your team gets a strike, you get a card. You can have a maximum of 5 cards at one time. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:56 PM] yeah, team poker bowling would be a good hook [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:47:59 PM] The team with the best hand at the end of the game wins. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:48:25 PM] So it opens up a little bit of randomness to even things out if a few godlike players are there. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:48:31 PM] Players? I mean bowlers. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:51:16 PM] We should just decide to do that, then - as it seems like less of "serious competition", and just in the interest of fun - as opposed to team bowling for score. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:52:18 PM] I think so, yes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:52:37 PM] sounds like a plan [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:52:47 PM] So what would the winning team get? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:52:50 PM] Quit yue has left this server (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:53:12 PM] (This meeting has run so late already that I don't think we'll have time to get to the fourth point.) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:53:35 PM] Can we find a stuffed penguin somewhere? Not our very own Tux, of course... :) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:54:00 PM] A trophy, of sorts.... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:54:15 PM] Split between 6 people, though? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:54:24 PM] I got a couple [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:54:29 PM] Good point. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:55:19 PM] What could we provide? Like, Linux related. (Or I guess it doesn't have to be, but just in keeping with the theme...) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:55:21 PM] They were hand outs at Suse/Novell night out at a Hockey game [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:55:38 PM] I wish I had a stuffed Geeko. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:55:55 PM] u mean the gieco gecko? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:12 PM] No, that's the OpenSUSE gecko's name. Geeko! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:21 PM] Ah [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:37 PM] I still have approximately one metric crapload of those stupid LED flashlights... I might actually be able to get IBM Websphere knapsacks. But that's (largely) proprietary software. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:40 PM] I'm not really sure what we could offer that's Linux-related AND could be split between 6 people. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:52 PM] They are Novell Penguins [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:56:54 PM] But I could probably get 6 of them. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:57:00 PM] there are 2 [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:57:53 PM] something more substantial than the flashlights would be nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:58:06 PM] What about a money pot? Like, everyone chips in $5. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:58:09 PM] i'm not quite sure what we could offer though that won't be too expensive [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:58:28 PM] The knapsacks are serious laptop knapsacks. The Targus equiv. would probably go for about $60. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:58:28 PM] Actually, no, a money pot would make it too competitive. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:58:59 PM] Hey, if you can get a bunch of them, I'm sure people would like that. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:59:24 PM] I wouldn't mind having a Novell penguin, but Terry only has two of them. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:59:27 PM] yeah, the knapsacks would be nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [09:59:33 PM] Offer a night out. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:00:00 PM] Let me ask tomorrow. They belong to a different dept, they were given to attendees at internal conferences. But we largely don't do internal conferences anymore because of travel expense. So we have an enormous quantity of them. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:00:32 PM] (Over the last year or so, I've gotten them to give me, personally, three of them - not even a dent made in their supply...) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:00:44 PM] Hve to gv Mr Suse a call. He presented late 2011 [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:00:48 PM] to us [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:01:02 PM] Can't remember name right now [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:01:20 PM] All the better to offer the knapsacks as prizes, then. And heck, toss in an LED flashlight with each one while you're at it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:01:49 PM] Assuming you don't mind, of course. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:01:56 PM] But yeah, this could work out well. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:02:03 PM] LED flashlights hmmm might work [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:02:10 PM] I am going to send a pic [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:02:17 PM] (e-mail) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:02:46 PM] I probably have close to 100 flashlights [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:03:04 PM] are they all IBM related tagged? [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:03:08 PM] Yes [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:03:35 PM] Hmmm would that fly? I mean we're not IBM. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:04:06 PM] "Prize sponsorship?" [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:04:07 PM] patbarron: maybe you might get some of your co-workers to come out [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:04:20 PM] hey maybe [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:04:50 PM] I don't see why not. IBM's been pretty good to us thus far. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:13 PM] What might be nice is a usb gadget [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:15 PM] I'd like to .. but they're as socially inept as me. :) The Vivisimo people might, though - they are technically IBM now, and they're more fun. ;- [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:21 PM] And if the other groups have a problem with it, well, they can contribute their own prizes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:26 PM] In fact... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:37 PM] Maybe we could ask each of the other three groups to contribute two prizes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:47 PM] Stick a different prize in each knapsack. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:05:58 PM] i think having stuff from ibm is quite fine [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:06:02 PM] They wouldn't have to be big; maybe a USB flash drive or something... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:06:03 PM] good idea, Centinel! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:08:06 PM] I just got the picture. These would be fantastic prizes! [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:08:19 PM] yeah, they are quite nice [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:08:23 PM] I think patbarron is right that these would go from $50-60. Lenovo was selling something similar for that price. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:08:44 PM] how about an official WPLUG flashdrive [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:08:57 PM] Let me check tomorrow to see if I can shake 6 loose. I suspect it won't be a problem. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:09:08 PM] (But you know what they say about assuming...) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:09:51 PM] I don't think that would be a problem, Couch_Potato, but we don't want to foot the bill for too much. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:10:11 PM] The hangup we always had with flash drives was having to order them in the quantity that would be required to get them pesonalized/imprinted [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:10:15 PM] Assuming patbarron can get the knapsacks, I think we should ask the other groups to contribute. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:10:49 PM] Yes, but if we could (eventually) build up a cache of official WPLUG swag to give away to speakers door prizes etc... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:11:28 PM] I wish Cafepress would do flash drives, and be able to order them in onesies and twosies. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:12:26 PM] yes indeed [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:12:45 PM] If we were going to do something with flash drives, I recommend doing something like the FSF's membership cards. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:12:49 PM] Hold on, I'll pull up a link... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:13:06 PM] Join yue has joined this channel (~yue@c-71-199-115-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:13:29 PM] http://www.fsf.org/associate/benefits [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:13:41 PM] Something credit card-sized that you could slip in your wallet. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:13:54 PM] slick [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:21 PM] They are nice. Like I said, the real issue with stuff like this is having to order them by the dozens or hundreds at a time... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:25 PM] Join b1g1r0n has joined this channel (~b1g1r0n@c-24-3-136-14.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:31 PM] are they washable? ;) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:44 PM] gud q jprostko [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:49 PM] bet not [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:14:56 PM] yeah, that is the issue, patbarron [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:15:22 PM] Not necessarily. You can get those USB flash drives in small, custom-printed quantities from eBay sellers. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:15:43 PM] ext2 format:-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:15:55 PM] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Blank-Credit-Card-Shape-USB-Flash-Drive-Memory-2-0-2GB-4GB-8GB-16GB-32GB-64G-/310568756176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item484f5723d0 [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:15:56 PM] not [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:16:03 PM] They don't mention what the fee is, but... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:16:13 PM] You can buy these cards in very small quantities. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:17:18 PM] But let's start with trying to get the knapsacks. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:17:52 PM] Oh, hey, check this out... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:17:53 PM] http://www.ebay.com/itm/4G-Credit-card-Name-Card-USB-Flash-Drive-Disk-can-Free-print-any-LOGO-/221205415277?pt=Calculators&hash=item3380dec56d [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:17:56 PM] That's a better deal than was we saw a year or so ago. I was just now looking again at traditional promo / custom printing places, smallest minimum I saw was 25 units. At probably $5.00/pop (because they won't list prices on the site, of course, you have to call for a quote) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:18:13 PM] That link I just posted is $3 a pop for cards and they offer free printing. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:19:15 PM] patbarron: just as an fyi, the pass you gave on your test server is wrong. i figured it out though. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:19:30 PM] Centinel: that's not too bad [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:19:50 PM] Well, once we settle on the prizes, I'll send out the invites. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:19:55 PM] jprostko: oops... Well, I hope *I* can figure it out later, then... :-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:06 PM] Patbarron will let us know whether he can get the knapsacks, and we'll go from there. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:19 PM] okay I'm about to drop my head onto my keyboard [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:42 PM] Hopefully the keeper of the knapsacks will be at work tomorrow. I will let you all know. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:50 PM] Yeah, it's getting late. I think we'd better wrap it up here. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:57 PM] I'm heading to bed. nite all [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:20:58 PM] I'm about out of fuel, myself [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:07 PM] Quit b1g1r0n has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:15 PM] Plus the cat is getting *really* obnoxious about wanting attention... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:19 PM] I can fire up my tablet up in bed [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:23 PM] Just a quick recap of the meeting... [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:38 PM] LesPaul is our WordPRess theme of cohoice. Try to find something nice Joomla-related on either ThemeForest or Rocket Themes. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:21:49 PM] We'll begin work on Tiny Tiny RSS as soon as possible. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:00 PM] We'll wait to hear from patbarron regarding hte knapsacks, but otherwise the bowling night is decided. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:03 PM] That's it. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:30 PM] As we say in the trade, that's a wrap. ;-) [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:34 PM] And I'll post a log of this meeting on the CRW page. [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:50 PM] bye nite all [Thursday, March 28, 2013] [10:22:52 PM] Part Couch_Potato has left this channel ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.").