[wplug] Verizon vs Comcast

Mon Feb 10 20:25:15 EST 2014

Greetings folks,

I am a FIOS subscriber and I am here to say that what many of you are
experiencing is as a result of Unions and Monopolies.  My FIOS is 35/35 and
on most speed tests I do achieve that but the problem with my service is it
will just STOP DEAD for no apparent reason, then like magic start back up.
 This makes for horrible online gaming and general online activities at
best.  Worse yet I can not watch, or DVR, a single TV program without
Pixelation at least 2 or more times and forget about watching a LIVE
BROADCAST, it constantly breaks up.

The problem has been traced to equipment in the back office of Verizon
which Verizon states they will NOT REPLACE because only one person
complains.  It is possible that the only way for a Monopoly to get the
message is if we all continue to call and make complaints.  I have
been contemplating switching to Comcast or at the very least setting up
service for 30 days just to compare the two services and then decide from
there.  Monopolies and Unions can only equal BAD SERVICE for all; and the
South Park Episode about Cable Companies just proves what I say, when a
company gets too big and has NO COMPETITION then said company is FREE TO DO
AS IT PLEASES and POOR SERVICE is the end result.

I look forward to seeing what we can all do to get FIOS off their FAT ASS
and get them to provide the SERVICE we all PAY FOR...

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Florin Manolache <florinmano at gmail.com>wrote:

> Rob,
>
> Enclosed is the traceroute listing for normal speed and for throttled
> down access, taken
> at less than one hour from each other. I have several sets of such
> measurements from different Verizon users.
> Such periods of very low speed appear almost every evening.
>
> What is missing are the results from Comcast users so I can better compare.
>
> I'm all for net neutrality.
> My goal here is to vote with my wallet and advice others to do the same.
> Even if this will not translate immediately into net neutrality, it
> would be a small step in the right direction.
>
> Florin
>
> ----------
>
> Event 1: 8:30pm normal speed
>
> http://my.verizon.com/services/speedtest/
> Download :: 42.1 Mbps  Upload :: 31.48 Mbps  Latency :: 20ms
>
> wget http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
> 20,000,000  4.53M/s   in 4.5s
>
> traceroute to hum (128.2.32.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
>  1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.878 ms  1.834 ms  1.872 ms
>  2  L100.PITBPA-VFTTP-03.verizon-gni.net (71.245.188.1)  5.890 ms  7.090
> ms
> 7.432 ms
>  3  G0-1-1-3.PITBPA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net (130.81.60.172)  12.515 ms
> 12.773 ms  12.779 ms
>  4  xe-6-1-4-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.163.72)  80.125 ms
> xe-19-0-8-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.209.74)  18.968 ms
> xe-15-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.209.38)  18.149 ms
>  5  0.xe-3-1-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.61)  22.586 ms
> 0.xe-4-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.117)  24.630 ms
> 0.xe-3-1-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.61)  23.801 ms
>  6  te0-6-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.10.225)  23.207 ms
> 15.376 ms te0-1-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.12.45)  15.606
> ms
>  7  be2177.ccr22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.206)  16.838 ms
> be2176.ccr21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.54)  18.330 ms
> be2112.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.234)  19.682 ms
>  8  te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.229)  26.838 ms
> te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.90)  27.422 ms
> te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.229)  28.682 ms
>  9  38.104.121.38 (38.104.121.38)  70.507 ms  71.517 ms  72.745 ms
> 10  38.87.51.2 (38.87.51.2)  73.016 ms  74.483 ms  74.309 ms
> 11  CORE255-VL987.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.255.249)  75.414 ms  76.034 ms  76.332
> ms
> 12  128.2.255.156 (128.2.255.156)  40.404 ms  41.586 ms  41.752 ms
> 13  hum.math.cmu.edu (128.2.32.145)  64.275 ms  64.507 ms  64.468 ms
>
> ---------------
>
> Event 2: 9:15pm very slow network
>
> http://my.verizon.com/services/speedtest/
> Download :: 41.98 Mbps  Upload :: 36.97 Mbps  Latency :: 20ms
>
> wget http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
> 20,000,000   104K/s   in 5m 17s
>
> traceroute to hum (128.2.32.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
>  1  Wireless_Broadband_Router.home (192.168.1.1)  2.018 ms  1.961 ms  2.023
> ms
>  2  L100.PITBPA-VFTTP-03.verizon-gni.net (71.245.188.1)  6.383 ms  6.794
> ms
> 7.057 ms
>  3  G0-1-1-3.PITBPA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net (130.81.60.172)  10.048 ms
> 10.376 ms  10.365 ms
>  4  xe-6-1-4-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.163.72)  14.790 ms
> xe-21-1-2-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.163.68)  16.251 ms  17.360
> ms
>  5  0.xe-2-3-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.7.229)  17.951 ms  16.505 ms
> 16.493 ms
>  6  te0-3-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.13.137)  57.990 ms
> 54.863 ms *
>  7  be2112.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.234)  58.009 ms
>  57.926
> ms  56.749 ms
>  8  te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.90)  68.463 ms
> te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.229)  68.388 ms
> te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.90)  67.513 ms
>  9  38.104.121.38 (38.104.121.38)  69.373 ms  69.624 ms  69.571 ms
> 10  38.87.51.2 (38.87.51.2)  76.202 ms  76.296 ms  76.281 ms
> 11  * CORE255-VL987.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.255.249)  68.027 ms  68.179 ms
> 12  128.2.255.156 (128.2.255.156)  57.142 ms  57.525 ms  58.291 ms
> 13  hum.math.cmu.edu (128.2.32.145)  65.374 ms  65.381 ms  65.849 ms
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Rob <tempest766 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I'd be very careful about using anecdotal evidence to say that one evil
> carrier (verizon or comcast) is better than the other.  The truth is that
> without better testing you don't kow who or where the problem is occuring.
>  It could be that the bastards are taking advantage of their privileged
> status of information and data provider to play favorites in routing or
> prioritizing traffic.  The solution there is to support net neutrallity
> andtell the FCC that you want all ISPs and network providers to be
> designated common carriers and as public utilities so that they cannot play
> favorites.
> >
> > I consider both verizon and comcast to be evil but alas, they have a
> relatively captive audience with little to no real competition or customer
> choice.
> >
> > post your traceroute data taken at several times during a 72 hour period
> and we'll take a look to see if anything jumps out as a bottleneck.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 2/10/14, Florin Manolache <florinmano at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: [wplug] Verizon vs Comcast
> >  To: "General user list" <wplug at wplug.org>
> >  Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 10:04 AM
> >
> >  Hi everybody,
> >
> >  I know this is not a Linux specific question, but I think
> >  this is a
> >  good place to dip into some expertise.
> >
> >  The problem: I am working at CMU and use Verizon FiOS at
> >  home (50Mbps download).
> >  During the late evenings the download speed to CMU goes
> >  under 1Mbps,
> >  sometimes much lower.
> >  Bandwidth tests show that locally in the Verizon network the
> >  access
> >  speed is fine (around 35-40Mbps) but once the traffic gets
> >  out of
> >  Verizon's network it is throttled down.
> >  Verizon blames Cogent for that, Cogent blames Verizon, and
> >  the end
> >  user is the one taking the hit.
> >  This is not only my problem, but all my colleagues on
> >  Verizon FiOS
> >  experience it.
> >  Also, not only the traffic from CMU gets throttled down, but
> >  a lot of
> >  other sites, Netflix, YouTube, etc, basically everything
> >  that follows
> >  the Verizon-Cogent route.
> >
> >  Potential solution: some people claim that the problem
> >  doesn't exist
> >  from the Comcast network.
> >  Even if the bandwidth is lower than the one offered by
> >  Verizon, the
> >  claim is that Comacat's bandwidth is sustainable at the
> >  order of about
> >  20Mbps even during the evenings.
> >  If I could check that, I'll switch to Comcast and advice all
> >  my
> >  Verizon FiOS colleagues to do so.
> >
> >  I would like to hear your opinions, thoughts, and
> >  experiences
> >  regarding this issue.
> >  If you have Comcast please try some bandwidth tests around
> >  9-10pm and
> >  let me know the results.
> >  For the bandwidth tests I was using http://testmy.net/ or a 20MB
> >  download from one of my servers at
> >  http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
> >
> >
> >  Thank you very much,
> >  Florin Manolache
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