[wplug] Verizon vs Comcast

Rob tempest766 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 10 21:42:14 EST 2014


I get similar results to you and I use neither verizon nor comcast.  At this point I'd consider

1) what kind of delay characteristics are there hitting other machines in the CMU network?

2) could cogentco be the bottleneck? a bad/weak gateway in their network?  lousy load based routing through their network?

3) is the math.cmu.edu host doing something every evening that slows it down?  is the www server configured to throttle based on some activity schedule or system load values? competing with evening network based backups?

Anyway, those are the questions I'd have at this point.  I don't think the issue is verizon, comcast, or armstrong (my provider).

-Rob



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On Mon, 2/10/14, Florin Manolache <florinmano at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [wplug] Verizon vs Comcast
 To: "General user list" <wplug at wplug.org>
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 5:20 PM
 
 Rob,
 
 Enclosed is the traceroute listing for normal speed and for
 throttled
 down access, taken
 at less than one hour from each other. I have several sets
 of such
 measurements from different Verizon users.
 Such periods of very low speed appear almost every evening.
 
 What is missing are the results from Comcast users so I can
 better compare.
 
 I'm all for net neutrality.
 My goal here is to vote with my wallet and advice others to
 do the same.
 Even if this will not translate immediately into net
 neutrality, it
 would be a small step in the right direction.
 
 Florin
 
 ----------
 
 Event 1: 8:30pm normal speed
 
 http://my.verizon.com/services/speedtest/
 Download :: 42.1 Mbps  Upload :: 31.48 Mbps 
 Latency :: 20ms
 
 wget http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
 20,000,000  4.53M/s   in 4.5s
 
 traceroute to hum (128.2.32.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte
 packets
  1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.878 ms 
 1.834 ms  1.872 ms
  2  L100.PITBPA-VFTTP-03.verizon-gni.net
 (71.245.188.1)  5.890 ms  7.090 ms
 7.432 ms
  3  G0-1-1-3.PITBPA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.60.172)  12.515 ms
 12.773 ms  12.779 ms
  4  xe-6-1-4-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.163.72)  80.125 ms
 xe-19-0-8-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.209.74)  18.968 ms
 xe-15-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.209.38)  18.149 ms
  5  0.xe-3-1-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.61) 
 22.586 ms
 0.xe-4-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.117)  24.630
 ms
 0.xe-3-1-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.61)  23.801
 ms
  6  te0-6-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.10.225)  23.207 ms
 15.376 ms te0-1-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.12.45)  15.606
 ms
  7  be2177.ccr22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.41.206)  16.838 ms
 be2176.ccr21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.54) 
 18.330 ms
 be2112.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.234) 
 19.682 ms
  8  te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.30.229)  26.838 ms
 te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.90) 
 27.422 ms
 te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.229) 
 28.682 ms
  9  38.104.121.38 (38.104.121.38)  70.507 ms 
 71.517 ms  72.745 ms
 10  38.87.51.2 (38.87.51.2)  73.016 ms 
 74.483 ms  74.309 ms
 11  CORE255-VL987.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.255.249) 
 75.414 ms  76.034 ms  76.332
 ms
 12  128.2.255.156 (128.2.255.156)  40.404 ms 
 41.586 ms  41.752 ms
 13  hum.math.cmu.edu (128.2.32.145)  64.275
 ms  64.507 ms  64.468 ms
 
 ---------------
 
 Event 2: 9:15pm very slow network
 
 http://my.verizon.com/services/speedtest/
 Download :: 41.98 Mbps  Upload :: 36.97 Mbps 
 Latency :: 20ms
 
 wget http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
 20,000,000   104K/s   in 5m
 17s
 
 traceroute to hum (128.2.32.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte
 packets
  1  Wireless_Broadband_Router.home (192.168.1.1) 
 2.018 ms  1.961 ms  2.023
 ms
  2  L100.PITBPA-VFTTP-03.verizon-gni.net
 (71.245.188.1)  6.383 ms  6.794 ms
 7.057 ms
  3  G0-1-1-3.PITBPA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.60.172)  10.048 ms
 10.376 ms  10.365 ms
  4  xe-6-1-4-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.163.72)  14.790 ms
 xe-21-1-2-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net
 (130.81.163.68)  16.251 ms  17.360
 ms
  5  0.xe-2-3-0.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.7.229) 
 17.951 ms  16.505 ms
 16.493 ms
  6  te0-3-0-14.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.13.137)  57.990 ms
 54.863 ms *
  7  be2112.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.5.234)  58.009 ms  57.926
 ms  56.749 ms
  8  te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com
 (154.54.3.90)  68.463 ms
 te4-3.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.229) 
 68.388 ms
 te2-4.ccr01.pit02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.90) 
 67.513 ms
  9  38.104.121.38 (38.104.121.38)  69.373 ms 
 69.624 ms  69.571 ms
 10  38.87.51.2 (38.87.51.2)  76.202 ms 
 76.296 ms  76.281 ms
 11  * CORE255-VL987.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.255.249) 
 68.027 ms  68.179 ms
 12  128.2.255.156 (128.2.255.156)  57.142 ms 
 57.525 ms  58.291 ms
 13  hum.math.cmu.edu (128.2.32.145)  65.374
 ms  65.381 ms  65.849 ms
 
 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Rob <tempest766 at yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 > I'd be very careful about using anecdotal evidence to
 say that one evil carrier (verizon or comcast) is better
 than the other.  The truth is that without better
 testing you don't kow who or where the problem is
 occuring.  It could be that the bastards are taking
 advantage of their privileged status of information and data
 provider to play favorites in routing or prioritizing
 traffic.  The solution there is to support net
 neutrallity andtell the FCC that you want all ISPs and
 network providers to be designated common carriers and as
 public utilities so that they cannot play favorites.
 >
 > I consider both verizon and comcast to be evil but
 alas, they have a relatively captive audience with little to
 no real competition or customer choice.
 >
 > post your traceroute data taken at several times during
 a 72 hour period and we'll take a look to see if anything
 jumps out as a bottleneck.
 >
 > -Rob
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Mon, 2/10/14, Florin Manolache <florinmano at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: [wplug] Verizon vs Comcast
 >  To: "General user list" <wplug at wplug.org>
 >  Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 10:04 AM
 >
 >  Hi everybody,
 >
 >  I know this is not a Linux specific question, but
 I think
 >  this is a
 >  good place to dip into some expertise.
 >
 >  The problem: I am working at CMU and use Verizon
 FiOS at
 >  home (50Mbps download).
 >  During the late evenings the download speed to
 CMU goes
 >  under 1Mbps,
 >  sometimes much lower.
 >  Bandwidth tests show that locally in the Verizon
 network the
 >  access
 >  speed is fine (around 35-40Mbps) but once the
 traffic gets
 >  out of
 >  Verizon's network it is throttled down.
 >  Verizon blames Cogent for that, Cogent blames
 Verizon, and
 >  the end
 >  user is the one taking the hit.
 >  This is not only my problem, but all my
 colleagues on
 >  Verizon FiOS
 >  experience it.
 >  Also, not only the traffic from CMU gets
 throttled down, but
 >  a lot of
 >  other sites, Netflix, YouTube, etc, basically
 everything
 >  that follows
 >  the Verizon-Cogent route.
 >
 >  Potential solution: some people claim that the
 problem
 >  doesn't exist
 >  from the Comcast network.
 >  Even if the bandwidth is lower than the one
 offered by
 >  Verizon, the
 >  claim is that Comacat's bandwidth is sustainable
 at the
 >  order of about
 >  20Mbps even during the evenings.
 >  If I could check that, I'll switch to Comcast and
 advice all
 >  my
 >  Verizon FiOS colleagues to do so.
 >
 >  I would like to hear your opinions, thoughts,
 and
 >  experiences
 >  regarding this issue.
 >  If you have Comcast please try some bandwidth
 tests around
 >  9-10pm and
 >  let me know the results.
 >  For the bandwidth tests I was using http://testmy.net/ or a 20MB
 >  download from one of my servers at
 >  http://www.math.cmu.edu/~florin/SpeedTest/r20m
 >
 >
 >  Thank you very much,
 >  Florin Manolache
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