[wplug] Best programming language for beginner?

[Brian Makin]

Note: dynamic language like python and ruby generally fall down at even
medium scales.
They are appropriate for things in the 1000 lines of code range.

The stricter languages might be more of a pain in the ass... but they stay
manageable up to (100s of millions of LoC)


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Drew from Zhrodague <
drewzhrodague at zhrodague.net> wrote:

> > "Matsumoto has said that Ruby is designed for programmer productivity
> > and fun, following the principles of good user interface design.[28]
> > He stresses that systems design needs to emphasize human, rather than
> > computer, needs:[29]
> >
> > Often people, especially computer engineers, focus on the machines.
> > They think, "By doing this, the machine will run faster. By doing
> > this, the machine will run more effectively. By doing this, the
> > machine will something something something." They are focusing on
> > machines. But in fact we need to focus on humans, on how humans care
> > about doing programming or operating the application of the machines.
> > We are the masters. They are the slaves."
> >
> > That sounds about right. Is this how the Ruby community thinks? That
> > tutorial Vikram linked to is HILARIOUS, and I really like how easy it
> > is to understand the code.
>
>         The Perl book is also hilarious.
>
>         Ruby may be a nice introduction to programming, but at the larger
> sizes
> of websites, there really needs to be a focus on systems impact with the
> volume of requests. Ever get Slashdotted? That can bring your site
> beyond a crawl, and into the high-speed delivery of errors. Even some
> CMSes (ahem, Drupal) will fall down even on the biggest systems,
> depending on traffic.
>
>         I find Ruby to be a pain in the ass to manage, and have come to
> describe Ruby like this: Ruby is for programmers that hate their
> sysadmins. I don't like to work in Ruby environments. The ones I have
> worked in have had the absolute worst systems design - the programmer
> just makes his code work, and needs a ton of resources just for that.
>
>         I have seen Java absolutely SCREAM at high volumes, but that does
> depend on the programmer designing the software correctly, and having an
> architecture designed to handle the high traffic loads.
>
>         Yes, you can run Apache on your workstation. And MySQL, and Java,
> and
> Ruby, and nginx, and 3 other services. No it won't hold up to much more
> than light traffic, and you can test this with a few different
> load-testing packages.
>
>         What do Arduinos use for programming languages?
>
> --
>
> Drew from Zhrodague
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> drew at zhrodague.net
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