[wplug] wplug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9
David Brown
browndavidc at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 16 16:34:10 EST 2010
I agree that the worth is to the holder, however don't forget that HR does not have a clue and they only know to look for buzzwords.
I use the exams as my personal final exam after studying a subject.
The cost of the exam holds my attention and give me a completion date to strive for.
As far as Cisco's exams.
I did not like them.
I passed the CCNA after MCSE and the CCNA was only difficult because they do not give you enough time to scope out the situation.
For example you are shown a network w/ 3 routers and told that subnet A can not "see" subnet B ....
Normally I would look at the configuration of all three routers before jumping in and changing stuff, but they did not allow you the time to do this. I had to guess which one to start with and if I guessed the correct starting place I got to the answer faster.
The MCSE gave you plenty of time. If I got the answer wrong it was because I did not know the answer. Not because I ran out of time.
Also the CCNA cert is only good for 3 years then you have to take it again. The routers have not changed so much in three years that I would have to be re-certified. I let my CCNA lapse because it just was not worth the time and cost. The benefit that I received from the cert was the actual studying and labs.
dave
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> 1. Re: Linux certification - more questions (Robert E. Coutch)
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> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:41:27 -0500
> From: "Robert E. Coutch" <robert.coutch at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [wplug] Linux certification - more questions
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking at the Red Hat tests but I'm not sure of the cost.
> I'm seeing information ranging from $400 to over $2000 to take the test.
> What is the actual cost?
>
> Also, no mention of CompTIA's Linux+ or LPIC.
> Do these hold little value?
>
> I will be paying for any certification out of my own pockets just like when I
> did my MCSE way back when.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:26:46 -0500
> From: Tom Grove <tom.grove at nepinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [wplug] Linux certification - more questions
> To: General user list <wplug at wplug.org>
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> My .02...
>
> Certifications are only useful if the person holding them can demonstrate the skills that were learned when preparing for the exam. RedHat has followed in the footsteps of Cisco by testing via hands on activity not pencil and paper only. It's difficult to walk into a RedHat or Cisco exam after cramming for a week and pass. Some experienced admins may be able to pull this off because of real world practice.
>
> I've run across enough Sys Admins that were certified (RHCE and MCSE) and couldn't hold a candle to the guys that were self-taught or university taught. However, if you are willing to put forth the effort and actually learn the material, not simply memorize it, the classes that go along with the RHCE or RHCT exams are well worth it. You will have more leverage in salary negotiations, you will have a wider job selection and will most likely receive more interest from companies that do keyword scans on resumes (see big companies).
>
> My advice is this, don't think that you will just walk in, pass an exam and then be a super admin. You will need to put forth the effort and learn the material so that you can succeed in whatever job you take after.
>
> --
> Tom Grove
>
> On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Robert E. Coutch wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking at the Red Hat tests but I'm not sure of the cost.
> > I'm seeing information ranging from $400 to over $2000 to take the test.
> > What is the actual cost?
> >
> > Also, no mention of CompTIA's Linux+ or LPIC.
> > Do these hold little value?
> >
> > I will be paying for any certification out of my own pockets just like when I
> > did my MCSE way back when.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rob
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:43:02 -0500
> From: "Robert E. Coutch" <robert.coutch at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [wplug] Linux certification - more questions
> To: General user list <wplug at wplug.org>
> Message-ID: <201002151743.02071.robert.coutch at verizon.net>
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>
> >
> > My advice is this, don't think that you will just walk in, pass an exam and
> > then be a super admin. You will need to put forth the effort and learn
> > the material so that you can succeed in whatever job you take after.
> >
>
> I'm actually thinking the other way around.
>
> The reason I took the MCSE exams back when was because I wanted to prove to
> myself that I knew at least as much as Microsoft expected me to know.
> I never went to any classes and used only the study books from Microsoft.
> I was supporting desktops and managing a server at the time.
>
> I made a complete switch to Linux around 1999-2000 and I once again find
> myself wondering if I know Linux well enough to be considered any sort of
> professional.
>
> I know what I know but I don't know if that's really what I need to know. You
> know.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:28:24 +0900
> From: Greg Simkins <gregsimkins at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [wplug] Linux certification - more questions
> To: General user list <wplug at wplug.org>
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> Hi Rob,
>
> I am with you. I am not interested in a job as an admin, but am interested in satisfying myself that I have a pretty good idea of the basic Linux topics - and like you say - to find out what I don't know, you know?
>
> I concluded that LPI would be my choice and started studying for it a couple times, but kept getting side tracked. Like now, I am working in Japan on a QA assignment. I doubt if I will ever be professionally managing any servers. I am interested, however, in learning Internationalization topics for web design.
>
> The biggest reason I like LPI is because ubuntu uses it. I have decided to focus on ubuntu because it focuses on Internationalization.
>
> I took a stroll though a local bookstore here in Fukuoka to see what computer topics are selling here. I concluded that LPI is more popular than Redhat here. You can reach your own conclusion by browsing through my photos. I hope you find that mildly amusing. I didn't photograph all the computer books, but I posted a sampling here: http://web.me.com/gsimkins/Kyushu_Japan/Software_in_Japan.html
>
> (By way, I am also Microsoft certified. The Government decided that when I was laid off, I could get restructured as a network engineer. It didn't work).
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Robert E. Coutch wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> My advice is this, don't think that you will just walk in, pass an exam and
> >> then be a super admin. You will need to put forth the effort and learn
> >> the material so that you can succeed in whatever job you take after.
> >>
> >
> > I'm actually thinking the other way around.
> >
> > The reason I took the MCSE exams back when was because I wanted to prove to
> > myself that I knew at least as much as Microsoft expected me to know.
> > I never went to any classes and used only the study books from Microsoft.
> > I was supporting desktops and managing a server at the time.
> >
> > I made a complete switch to Linux around 1999-2000 and I once again find
> > myself wondering if I know Linux well enough to be considered any sort of
> > professional.
> >
> > I know what I know but I don't know if that's really what I need to know. You
> > know.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
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