[wplug] GNU/Linux ?
David Ostroske
eksortso at linuxmail.org
Thu Feb 19 17:01:02 EST 2004
Personally, I'd invite any discussion at all that ultimately brings value to Linux. It just so happens that a lot of what brings value to Linux is OSS that either comprises a Linux system or builds on the system.
Talking about something like this:
http://www.brunswickwdi.com/bie
adds value to Linux, even if it's Java-based and uses mySQL as a back-end (for now). (I'm not affiliated with the project. I just think it's neat.)
Talking about something like this:
http://www.calmira.de/
does not, even though it's GPL'd. (I think it's neat, but I'm not affiliated with the project.)
Hence, we should spend more time talking about BIE than about Calmira. I don't know if BIE's being open-sourced makes it a better conversation piece, but it couldn't hurt.
--- David Ostroske
eksortso at linuxmail.org
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From: Burt E Reany <breany at csc.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:35:59 -0500
To: wplug at wplug.org
Subject: RE: [wplug] GNU/Linux ?
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> Don;
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> "I remember back once, about five years ago - I said the right thing"
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> Charlie brown, after a conversation with Peppermint Pattie - - -
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> to wplug
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> First off, it's obvious that most of you think that I was somehow slighting
> the current membership profile of the list. I wasn't. Who would have
> thought that comments on the undeniable decline of society at large would
> offend so many. Go figger.
>
> wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > Don, I think you're an asset to this list, but in this case I have to
> > disagree with you.
> >
> > I could be wrong, but I don't think that Beth Lynn was going for the
> > concept of "Open Licensed Software" (of course, I cannot
> > speak for her,
> > only what I've interpreted). I got the impression that she
> > was more in
> > favor of a list open to 'Open Licensed Operating Systems [with an
> > incredibly strong emphasis on Unix-derived operating systems and the
> > general topics that relate to them]'.
> >
> > Moreover, WPLUG has specifically and laudably created a wplug-bsd
> > mailing list to focus the questions of BSD users more
> > directly. As such,
> > it is obvious that there is concern for keeping topics which are
> > separate in nature in their respective domains.
> So what you're saying is that "Western Pennsylvania LINUX
> USERS
> GROUP BSD" list is a logical extension? My only point is that a LUG is a
> LUG. I'm not saying don't have an organization that does other things -
> just don't call it a LUG. I have been part of (and still belong to) groups
> that have attempted to embrace the computing industry at large - and it
> almost invariably fails, especially on unmoderated lists. I already belong
> to a group that panders to every whim - it's called Yahoo! Groups.
> I believe what was being discussed was a change in name to the
> organization as a whole to reflect a more open architecture - and that's a
> requirement IMNSHO if we're going to start talking about things non-Linux.
> I know that GNU and other "open" licensed software runs on things other
> than
> Linux - but that's not what I want to talk about as it in no way affects me
> as a Linux user here to talk about Linux.
>
>
> > Certainly, I don't believe that Beth Lynn was going for a 'this list
> > is only for things that are distribution "out of the box" based...
> > don't mention any software that isn't part of your base system here,
> > buddy' mentality either (again, I DO NOT speak for Beth Lynn, and do
> > not want
> > this to stand for her opinion). Linux (and other *nix
> > derivatives) are
> > only as good as the sum of their parts. In a corporate setting, this
> > means that Star/OpenOffice, PHP, wireless access points, and the SCO
> > controversy are important. This is a Linux USERS Group... not a Linux
> > Group, therefore I think that topics of and relating to the users'
> > interaction with a Linux environment are highly applicable.
> Agreed - so how does entertaining BSD fit in that again?
>
> > To use your analogy, I see the position which WPLUG takes as
> > being akin
> > to a reading group where people discuss both books as well as
> > the movies
> > that have a direct bearing on the books (or upon which the books have
> > had a direct bearing). I have no problem with discussions meandering
> > into the realm of 'related topics'. If it wasn't for 'related
> > topics,' I wouldn't be using FreeBSD right now. I can thank Bill Moran
> > of Potential
> > Technologies for his well-done presentation at a recent
> > WPLUG meeting
> > for introducing me to FreeBSD, and convincing me that it was better
> > suited to my needs.
> I think that the group should open itself up.
>
> So let me start the "open" discussion.
>
> I have a 2001 Mustang Bullitt. It has a supercharger and
> several
> other modifications that have forced me to install an out-board engine
> management processor and user tunable software.
> That software is written in C.
> I recently bought a set of new SOHC PI heads that I plan to
> port and
> polish, and install a set of ModMax cams and oversized Ferrara valves.
> When
> I do the head swap I will also install a set of BBK long tube headers that
> have been sitting in my garage for 6 months and upgrade to either 39 or 42
> pound injectors (of which I have a set of each).
> Can anyone tell me where to get a set of aftermarket timing
> cams
> (because the stock ones press on to the stock cams) and where I can get
> some
> advice on setting up my initial timing as well as required changes to my
> software? I also have concerns over piston-to-valve clearance give stock
> CR
> and the oversized valves.
>
> Now let me invite 150 of my Ford driving friends that use this
> software to join discuss on a WPLUG list without cross-posting or getting
> OT.
>
> I used the "reading group" analogy for a reason. The reading
> groups
> I belonged to were adamant about one thing - reading.
>
>
> > Getting back to the whole 'diversification of WPLUG' issue, I
> > am all for
> > the venturing of WPLUG into adjacent categories of computing and
> > computing related topics. I trust that the 'ruling council'
> > will display
> > the same care in the future that they have in the past (as
> > exampled by
> > the creation of the wplug-bsd list), by creating different venues for
> > conversation over topics which aren't at home on the standard wplug
> > mailing list.
> And I stand by my contention that WPLUG-BSD is an oxymoron.
> Make it
> WPOSS or WPOSUG or WPOSSE (the best so far) but it's _not_ a LUG if it's
> not
> a LUG. I continue to be amazed that few seem to see that if a list doesn't
> talk about Linux (and I do acknowledge the "bleeds" you mention above) it's
> just not a Linux list.
>
> At the end of the day I'm just a cranky old man who has a delete key (and a
> bitchin' Mustang) so just assume that I'll deal with it or go live in a
> cave.
>
> Don
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