[wplug] Super-DMCA laws

Tue Apr 15 22:55:27 EDT 2003

Thats kinda neat, I always saw the kernel Ham Radio section but always just 
glanced by it.  What sort of hardware would you need if I wanted a ham 
radio in my apartment.  Also, would I need a "good" system or will my extra 
200 Mhz 32 MB RAM do?

-Henry

PS-Western PA Linux & Ham Radio User Group!!!!

--On Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:25 PM -0400 "Frank W. Holden Jr." 
<frankh at zelie.com> wrote:r

> YUPPERS Bob. There are a few more than you realize that sub to this
> list... hehehe We ALL have atleast 1 Linux box going and a few of us
> have several boxes along with some of the other *NIX OS flavors going
> too! This group has been the FRIENDLIEST of the couple I sub to...
>
> 73 de KA3UWW - Frank
>
> "R.E.Coutch" wrote:
>>
>> Hey !
>>
>> I didn't know other hams hung out here too !
>>
>> My call is KC3QW but I haven't been very active in a while.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> Frank W. Holden Jr. wrote:
>>
>> > Well, for what I read it means that what use to be legal for us ham
>> > radio operators throughout the world is now illegal!!! I sure did like
>> > re-broadcasting NASA missions over the net and via radio for the
>> > intent of educational purposes...
>> >
>> > This piece of crap they have come up with is way to broad! By what it
>> > says, if I was to re-broadcast a local radio station, as an example,
>> > to a friend anyplace else on the net, it is illegal! If I record a
>> > portion of a radio show and compress it with a password for
>> > transmission, I have broken the law. When did it come to pass that
>> > commercial broadcasts over the air waves was illegal??? Now I am NOT
>> > allowed to talk on my radios anymore either, so my freedom of speach
>> > is being attacked! There are just too many ways and angles to look at
>> > this new law that impeeds on our constitutional rights...
>> >
>> > Just some ramblings from a RF fried brain...
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Neuer wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yep, it's true (follow the "text" link and look at the
>> >> bill history). It's law in PA.
>> >>
>> >> Most of it deals w/ theft of Telco service, but the
>> >> really troubling part is paragraph 1, section II "TO
>> >> CONCEAL OR TO ASSIST ANOTHER TO CONCEAL FROM ANY
>> >> TELECOMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDER OR FROM ANY LAWFUL
>> >> AUTHORITY THE EXISTENCE OR PLACE OF ORIGIN OR OF
>> >> DESTINATION OF ANY TELECOMMUNICATION"
>> >>
>> >> Who is a lawful authority? The cops? A copyright
>> >> holder? It's not clear until you read down farther in
>> >> the definitions section where they talk about telcos,
>> >> radio, satellite, cable and TV broadcasters.
>> >>
>> >> So basically, this is designed to protect the owners
>> >> of digital TV content.
>> >>
>> >> But that above paragraph would seem to make
>> >> VPN/Firewall software, hardware, and information
>> >> illegal as well.
>> >>
>> >> I seriously doubt the legistlature knew just how dumb
>> >> that provision is (for instance, most Telcos
>> >> themselves would be guilty just by offering VPN
>> >> service; even if you argued that their intent clearly
>> >> isn't concealing the origin or destination from
>> >> *themselves*, you could argue that they were
>> >> concealing the data transmitted from "lawful
>> >> authorities" if someone passes a song or movie file
>> >> over the VPN). Linux is conceivably illegal under the
>> >> section.
>> >>
>> >> It's a crappy law. It's bad for Telcos, bad for
>> >> equipment manufacturers, bad for customers...
>> >>
>> >> As the activists in the MA legistlative hearing
>> >> pointed out, it's really only good for the digital
>> >> broadcasters.
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully the first time it gets used it will be
>> >> struck down as overly broad and criminalizing a wide
>> >> array of current, accepted practices.
>> >>
>> >> I guess we'll either have to wait and see, or organize
>> >> a campaign to repeal it (it would have been nice to
>> >> know about the law ahead of time, though).
>> >>
>> >> It's getting to the point that I feel remiss as a
>> >> citizen for not spending all day combing the Thomas
>> >> Project site, the PA legislature, etc. looking for
>> >> dangerous legislation.
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> --- "Romano, Chris" <CRomano at AtlasBD.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I know that it's not Linux or Open Source, but it
>> >>> affects us all.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Has anyone been following this?  It looks like it
>> >>> might have been passed in
>> >>> PA.  Is it true?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/1999/0/SB1173P2313.HTM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> more info:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/
>> >>> <http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/>
>> >>>
>> >>> (look under the "Affected States" section)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Romano
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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