[wplug] Super-DMCA laws

Tue Apr 15 21:25:00 EDT 2003

YUPPERS Bob. There are a few more than you realize that sub to this
list... hehehe We ALL have atleast 1 Linux box going and a few of us
have several boxes along with some of the other *NIX OS flavors going
too! This group has been the FRIENDLIEST of the couple I sub to...

73 de KA3UWW - Frank

"R.E.Coutch" wrote:
> 
> Hey !
> 
> I didn't know other hams hung out here too !
> 
> My call is KC3QW but I haven't been very active in a while.
> 
> -Bob
> 
> Frank W. Holden Jr. wrote:
> 
> >Well, for what I read it means that what use to be legal for us ham
> >radio operators throughout the world is now illegal!!! I sure did like
> >re-broadcasting NASA missions over the net and via radio for the
> >intent of educational purposes...
> >
> >This piece of crap they have come up with is way to broad! By what it
> >says, if I was to re-broadcast a local radio station, as an example,
> >to a friend anyplace else on the net, it is illegal! If I record a
> >portion of a radio show and compress it with a password for
> >transmission, I have broken the law. When did it come to pass that
> >commercial broadcasts over the air waves was illegal??? Now I am NOT
> >allowed to talk on my radios anymore either, so my freedom of speach
> >is being attacked! There are just too many ways and angles to look at
> >this new law that impeeds on our constitutional rights...
> >
> >Just some ramblings from a RF fried brain...
> >Frank
> >
> >
> >Dave Neuer wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Yep, it's true (follow the "text" link and look at the
> >>bill history). It's law in PA.
> >>
> >>Most of it deals w/ theft of Telco service, but the
> >>really troubling part is paragraph 1, section II "TO
> >>CONCEAL OR TO ASSIST ANOTHER TO CONCEAL FROM ANY
> >>TELECOMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDER OR FROM ANY LAWFUL
> >>AUTHORITY THE EXISTENCE OR PLACE OF ORIGIN OR OF
> >>DESTINATION OF ANY TELECOMMUNICATION"
> >>
> >>Who is a lawful authority? The cops? A copyright
> >>holder? It's not clear until you read down farther in
> >>the definitions section where they talk about telcos,
> >>radio, satellite, cable and TV broadcasters.
> >>
> >>So basically, this is designed to protect the owners
> >>of digital TV content.
> >>
> >>But that above paragraph would seem to make
> >>VPN/Firewall software, hardware, and information
> >>illegal as well.
> >>
> >>I seriously doubt the legistlature knew just how dumb
> >>that provision is (for instance, most Telcos
> >>themselves would be guilty just by offering VPN
> >>service; even if you argued that their intent clearly
> >>isn't concealing the origin or destination from
> >>*themselves*, you could argue that they were
> >>concealing the data transmitted from "lawful
> >>authorities" if someone passes a song or movie file
> >>over the VPN). Linux is conceivably illegal under the
> >>section.
> >>
> >>It's a crappy law. It's bad for Telcos, bad for
> >>equipment manufacturers, bad for customers...
> >>
> >>As the activists in the MA legistlative hearing
> >>pointed out, it's really only good for the digital
> >>broadcasters.
> >>
> >>Hopefully the first time it gets used it will be
> >>struck down as overly broad and criminalizing a wide
> >>array of current, accepted practices.
> >>
> >>I guess we'll either have to wait and see, or organize
> >>a campaign to repeal it (it would have been nice to
> >>know about the law ahead of time, though).
> >>
> >>It's getting to the point that I feel remiss as a
> >>citizen for not spending all day combing the Thomas
> >>Project site, the PA legislature, etc. looking for
> >>dangerous legislation.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>--- "Romano, Chris" <CRomano at AtlasBD.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I know that it's not Linux or Open Source, but it
> >>>affects us all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Has anyone been following this?  It looks like it
> >>>might have been passed in
> >>>PA.  Is it true?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/1999/0/SB1173P2313.HTM
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>more info:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/
> >>><http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/>
> >>>
> >>>(look under the "Affected States" section)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Chris Romano
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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