[wplug] NOTICE: Member Organizational Meeting

[Luquilla Hughes]

(please excuse my language, but I prefer to swear at times)

I have been a member of Wplug for over a year.

I can only once recall having seen rtfm in a post. I think that is a pretty 
good indication of the friendliness of this organization.

I think that if you are unhappy about what this organization is doing, or in 
this case not doing, do something about it!

I have complained also about the structure but have come to realize that the 
seeming lack of structure is desired, BUT, there can be structure created 
within that 'lack' of structure.

I think that if you are unhappy with the activity within wplug, YOU need to 
find out who else is unhappy and get them with you to do something about it.
I think that the radio list is a good example, we wanted more, we identified 
each other, the one that was most motivated joined the plan team set up a 
sublist and we began our project. We have not produced or desired goal, YET, 
but it is our shortcomings not wplug's.

I think that you can not force others to do the activities that you want to 
have happen.

I have also talked to several 'new' people, and many of them were interested 
in learning more.( but teaching with structured lesson plans, lesson 
preparation, and all of the other things that you desire  is difficult. it 
is both time and energy consuming. Answering a question that is asked is 
less so. and that is why it has been done this way so far.)

The only thing that David (or do you prefer Dave) is missing is volunteers. 
(and a place to have it, you should try asking the person who is currently 
responsible for our location if he/they can get a second room or more time.)

Solution 1(preffered): Decide what project you would like to happen first, 
ask for some volunteers, work your ass off.

Solution 2: Find out who @ Pitt can get space over there, breathe life into 
PittLUG, set up the projects you want for PittLUG and work your ass off.

Personally, I wouldn't mind PittLUG coming back to life, if it not mutually 
exclusive with wplug. I think there is 200+ people in this town and growing 
who use Linux and it would be nice to have alternate sources for help and 
times that I could attend either meeting. Everytime wplug has a meeting 
there are new faces(5 in Jan, and at least 3 in Dec.), there is plenty of 
people to go around. The key here is that this must not be a split of Wplug 
but another source for everything that makes Linux great.


>From: jjlasalle <jjlasalle at home.com>
>Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
>To: wplug at wplug.org
>Subject: RE: [wplug] NOTICE: Member Organizational Meeting
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:01:18 -0500
>
>I was hoping this thread would be short lived but I (respectfully) take
>issue with this post. It's natural for those close in age and ability to
>want to be together. However, I've always been amazed at the open, patient
>atmosphere of the WPLUG. I don't expect or want to be patronized. Fred and
>I have often commented on the valuable resources provided by the groups
>activities. Are the activities unstructured? At times, yes. Have I been
>excluded or made to feel unwanted? Never. Splitting into separate groups
>(suggested elsewhere in this thread) would be a disservice to WPLUG and the
>Linux community in general. It saddens me to see the group almost to the
>point of mediation.
>
>
>
>At 08:17 AM 1/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have been reading some of the replies sent in repsonse to your
>>"Organizational ..." email and I cannot say I am surprised with them.  I
>>have attended a couple wplug meetings and installfests and can say I got 
>>the
>>impression that I was not welcomed to be there.  I made the mistake of
>>questioning some Linux abilities (such as why it is so hard to get a 
>>printer
>>to work with the op system and apps).  I got the impression that the wplug
>>'members' were basically techie children and don't want others playing in
>>their sandbox.  They feel they can do great things but don't challenge 
>>them
>>to accept responsibility.  This may be a characteristic of the open source
>>community.  I see the same type of people at Perl conferences.
>
>
>"Nip it. Nip it in the bud."  -- Barney Fife, Mayberry RFD
>
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