From redtoade at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  8 11:31:16 2003
From: redtoade at yahoo.com (redtoade)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [wplug-web] Happy New School Year!
Message-ID: <20030908153116.80025.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com>

I was wondering if we might add a bit of functionality
to the web page.  A "to do" list.

Simply put, wplug board members could place items on
the list which require volunteer work.  A desired date
of completion and some essential details would be
needed.  Then perhaps, through some sort of message
board gui, you could allow said volunteers to...
well... volunteer.  Maybe even allow them to post
comments/questions.  That way we can all see what
needs to be done and who has taken on the responsibily
for completing it.

I think the more self serve the list is, the easier it
will be to track and, more importantly, to complete
these jobs.  And unlike relying on IRC or the mailing
list archives, the web page is more static.  Projects
that fall behind will glaringly be more visible.

Btw, the last posting to this mailing list was Sat, 14
Jun 2003.  Did you all have a nice summer?

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From wplug at badgertronics.com  Tue Sep  9 11:42:24 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 9 Sep 2003 15:42:24 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] Happy New School Year!
In-Reply-To: <20030908153116.80025.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> (message
	from redtoade on Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT))
References: <20030908153116.80025.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030909154224.11246.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>

> I was wondering if we might add a bit of functionality
> to the web page.  A "to do" list.

that would be cool.  Want to work on it at the installpest on saturday?

One thing that's been holding me back (aside from the usual time
constraints) is the "merging of the list user/passwords and the
website user/passwords" thing.  I haven't wanted to do too much 
involving things that would require egistration (like "I'm
volunteering to clean up monkeybot's cage") until we got
that ironed out.

So, do we still want to do that (I havent' done any research.  I don't
even have mailman installed locally), will folks really be that put
out if they have to make a separate login for the website if they want
to do something webwise?

Wheee,
++md


From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Tue Sep  9 12:18:48 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [wplug-web] Happy New School Year!
In-Reply-To: <20030909154224.11246.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309091215150.2923-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

This one time, at band camp, Mark Dalrymple said:

> > I was wondering if we might add a bit of functionality
> > to the web page.  A "to do" list.

I'm not opposed to this, I'm just not convinced a technology solution will 
cure a social problem (apathy/laziness).

 
> One thing that's been holding me back (aside from the usual time
> constraints) is the "merging of the list user/passwords and the
> website user/passwords" thing.  I haven't wanted to do too much 
> involving things that would require egistration (like "I'm
> volunteering to clean up monkeybot's cage") until we got
> that ironed out.


I've kinda hoped that someone in the mailman team would write an SQL 
plugin if we waited long enough. :) I'll check their mailing lis
What we could do, is create the table changes we expect are needed and 
I'll hook mailman in later.

-james




From redtoade at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  9 20:40:34 2003
From: redtoade at yahoo.com (redtoade)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [wplug-web] Happy New School Year!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309091215150.2923-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
Message-ID: <20030910004034.79357.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com>

--- James O'Kane <jo2y at midnightlinux.com> wrote:
> I'm not opposed to this, I'm just not convinced a
> technology solution will 
> cure a social problem (apathy/laziness).

I completely agree.  It's one of the first rules
applicable to my profession.  "If no one will actually
use the system, then it's worthless.  Don't implement
it."

However, in order to complete more lug tasks, we need
to draw in more volunteers.  And I don't see this
happening if we only rely on mailing list, IRC and the
occasional GUM turn out.

I do feel that if we can get the webpage back on it's
feet, and make it more interactive, then we, at the
very least, will have more of a permanence to
assigning tasks.  There are no IRC logs, and the
mailing list is so damn unfocused when it comes to
these things.

So, a simple static wish list would
  1.  List the board's goals, and express in one
static spot what the leadership deems most
important... lending a sense of direction.
  2.  Provide the rest of the group with a list of
volunteers.  This gives other members an idea of who
is who, and what qualifications our developers posess.
 Not to mention the ever important "who's to
blame^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H in charge" when something needs
to be fixed.
  3.  Bring focus and continuity to said projects and
some coordination of our resources.  If left to
itself, nothing will ever be done.  Plus most of our
resources are seasonal and tend to disappear with the
summer vacation.  A static list, at the very least,
should be there when they get back.  And it allows us
to track progress without actually establishing direct
communication with the volunteer.  
  4.  Raise awareness (ick, I hate that phrase) to the
needs of the LUG.  Obviously, if people visit the site
for other needs... like directions to the installfest,
they may come across the wish list.

etc, etc.  You get the point.


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