From wplug at badgertronics.com  Sat Feb  1 08:47:26 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 1 Feb 2003 13:47:26 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] status update
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301311925170.17731-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
	(jo2y@midnightlinux.com)
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> I know the sudden change of server venues derailed several of us, but 
> could we inventory where we are and report back to the list?
> Someday I'll create that gant chart to figure out what is waiting on what.

all the requisite software installed and running.  I've got it kind of
up and running on http://www.wplug.org:8082/ - this is the dev site.  I figured
we'd scram the db once or twice.  The boxes on the left are mason-style 
components, and I have a news module installed and a sample static
content page.

At home I've got the data model built for the GUM manager.  I want to
finish that next week.  I'm waiting for Evan and Zach to finish their
HTML style / recomendation stuff.  I guess if we don't see that in the
next week, we can always fall back to the orange-and-grey design from a 
version or two ago.

Wheeee,
++md




From bethlynn at cs.cmu.edu  Thu Feb  6 16:49:24 2003
From: bethlynn at cs.cmu.edu (Beth Lynn Lauris)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:49:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] please update website
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0302061648030.29144-100000@ux11.sp.cs.cmu.edu>

Hi,

Could someome please update the website to include
James O'Kane's iptables talk this saturday?

thanks,

Beth Lynn



From zman at wplug.org  Thu Feb  6 19:46:48 2003
From: zman at wplug.org (Zach Paine)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:46:48 -0500
Subject: [wplug-web] please update website
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0302061648030.29144-100000@ux11.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <A3889440-3A35-11D7-9669-000393583930@wplug.org>

Done.


On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Beth Lynn Lauris wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Could someome please update the website to include
> James O'Kane's iptables talk this saturday?
>
> thanks,
>
> Beth Lynn
>
> _______________________________________________
> wplug-web mailing list
> wplug-web at wplug.org
> http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-web



From wplug at badgertronics.com  Sun Feb  9 20:20:16 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 10 Feb 2003 01:20:16 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] GUM stuff for new website
Message-ID: <20030210012016.30064.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>

Hey Gang,

I've added a GUM meeting package thingie to the
dev site:
http://wplug.org:8082/

Pulls things out of the db, etc.  If you haven't created a login
yet, go ahead and make one and AIM/IRC me and I'll give you privs to
the back-end.

This is just the dev site, so don't spend too much time making
stuff real, since the data will not make it to the live site.

I have some more stuff to add to it, but I figured I'd let folks
play around with it now.

Wheee,
++md


From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Wed Feb 19 19:59:47 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:59:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302191950120.7134-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

Assumptions:
People will have many addresses, but only one primary
The column and table names I have below are vague


table mailing_lists {
	id
	other_mailing_list_foo_that_I_need_to_lookup
}

table mailing_list_map {
	user_id
	mailing_list_id
	other_user_specific_options
}

Then we can do a query to get the list of subscribers.
select users.email_address from users,mailing_lists, mailing_list_map 
where users.id = mailing_list_map.user_id AND
mailing_list_map.mailing_list_id = mailing_lists.id AND mailing_lists.id = 
<list wanted>;

That seems complicated to me, and I'm not sure my join is correct.
Is this the right direction?

If my assumption about one primary per person is wrong, we can add 
multiple items to the _map table and add a column called email, and beef 
up the select query.

-james




From eksortso at linuxmail.org  Thu Feb 20 12:25:06 2003
From: eksortso at linuxmail.org (David Ostroske)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:25:06 -0500
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
Message-ID: <20030220172506.29185.qmail@linuxmail.org>

From: "James O'Kane" <jo2y at midnightlinux.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:59:47 -0500 (EST) 
> Assumptions:
> People will have many addresses, but only one primary
> The column and table names I have below are vague

We'll just concern ourselves with the keys and the appropriate data fields for now.

> table mailing_lists {
> 	id
> 	other_mailing_list_foo_that_I_need_to_lookup
> }
> 
> table mailing_list_map {
> 	user_id
> 	mailing_list_id
> 	other_user_specific_options
> }
> 
> Then we can do a query to get the list of subscribers.
> select users.email_address from users,mailing_lists, mailing_list_map 
> where users.id = mailing_list_map.user_id AND
> mailing_list_map.mailing_list_id = mailing_lists.id AND mailing_lists.id = 
> <list wanted>;
> 
> That seems complicated to me, and I'm not sure my join is correct.
> Is this the right direction?

Your join is correct, James. Actually, the join to mailing_lists might be redundant, since the mailing_list_map would have the desired mailing list's ID in it already. But the additional join asserts that the desired list really exists.

It would be better to have another table, containing users' email addresses and some sort of flag designating a primary account. That would make the query more complex:

SELECT user_addresses.email_address
FROM user_addresses, users, mailing_lists, mailing_list_map
WHERE mailing_lists.id = <list wanted>
  AND mailing_lists.id = mailing_list_map.mailing_list_id
  AND mailing_list_map.user_id = users.id
  AND users.id = user_addresses.user_id
  AND user_addresses.primary = -1 --include this line if you just want primary addresses
;

(I hope I got this SQL dialect right. There might be JOIN clauses and boolean fields, but I don't know right now.)

But, if you want to associate a single email address with a given user in a given mailing list, then putting the email address in the _map table would make sense.

SELECT mailing_list_map.email_address
FROM mailing_lists, mailing_list_map
WHERE mailing_lists.id = <list wanted>
  AND mailing_lists.id = mailing_list_map.mailing_list_id
;

You can always join this to the users table again, if you only want certain users.

> If my assumption about one primary per person is wrong, we can add 
> multiple items to the _map table and add a column called email, and beef 
> up the select query.
> 
> -james

If you want multiple email addresses, but do not want them connected to particular mailing lists, then my first query would work. The second query would work better for mailing to just those addresses associated with a mailing list, but the concept of a "primary" email address would still need to be addressed.

--- David Ostroske
    eksortso at linuxmail.org


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From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Thu Feb 20 17:59:04 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:59:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20030220172506.29185.qmail@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302201632390.11610-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

It's not exactly a 'primary' email address, but rather one that the user 
wants to get email. In some cases, for whatever reason, people might want 
to get email sent to more than one address. They also might want to have 
different options for each address, one might get digest while the other 
gets regular format mail. So I think we need to put an email address field 
on the _map table. (We could put just extra email addresses in a seperate 
table with a unique id, but that doesn't seem nessesary, unless we plan 
to use them for anything else?)
I still need to double check the Mailman API to see what types of queries 
it normally does. But for example, given a list name, it would want all of 
the addresses of who it should send mail to. Another is given an email 
address, is it allowed to send mail to the list in question.

-james






From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Thu Feb 20 18:46:44 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:46:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302201632390.11610-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302201843340.11610-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

Don't feel you need to read all of these, but these are the functions I 
need to impliment. Some are optional, but it limits the mailman 
web and email interfaces. I'm assuming self is an object reference or some 
other data, that one can extract the real list name from.

-james

This is from the readme: 

Members have three pieces of identifying information: a unique identifying
opaque key (KEY), a lower-cased email address (LCE), and a case-preserved
email (CPE) address.  Adaptors must ensure that both member keys and lces
can uniquely identify a member, and that they can (usually) convert freely
between keys and lces.  Most methods must accept either a key or an lce,
unless specifically documented otherwise.



def getMembers(self):
def getRegularMemberKeys(self):
def getDigestMemberKeys(self):
def isMember(self, member):
def getMemberKey(self, member):
def getMemberCPAddress(self, member):
def getMemberCPAddresses(self, members):
def authenticateMember(self, member, response):
def getMemberPassword(self, member):
def getMemberLanguage(self, member):
def getMemberOption(self, member, flag):
def getMemberName(self, member):
def getMemberTopics(self, member):
def getDeliveryStatus(self, member):
def getDeliveryStatusChangeTime(self, member):
def getDeliveryStatusMembers(self,
def getBouncingMembers(self):
def getBounceInfo(self, member):
def addNewMember(self, member, **kws):
def removeMember(self, memberkey):
def changeMemberAddress(self, memberkey, newaddress, nodelete=0):
def setMemberPassword(self, member, password):
def setMemberLanguage(self, member, language):
def setMemberOption(self, member, flag, value):
def setMemberName(self, member, realname):
def setMemberTopics(self, member, topics):
def setDeliveryStatus(self, member, status):
def setBounceInfo(self, member, info):




From eksortso at linuxmail.org  Fri Feb 21 14:51:31 2003
From: eksortso at linuxmail.org (David Ostroske)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:51:31 -0500
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
Message-ID: <20030221195131.1689.qmail@linuxmail.org>

From: "James O'Kane" <jo2y at midnightlinux.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:59:04 -0500 (EST) 
> It's not exactly a 'primary' email address, but rather one that the user 
> wants to get email. In some cases, for whatever reason, people might want 
> to get email sent to more than one address. They also might want to have 
> different options for each address, one might get digest while the other 
> gets regular format mail. So I think we need to put an email address field 
> on the _map table. (We could put just extra email addresses in a seperate 
> table with a unique id, but that doesn't seem nessesary, unless we plan 
> to use them for anything else?)

The way that you describe it, the _map table would act more like a "subscriptions" table than as a simple map. It would hold fields for the different mailing options for a given subscription. And if someone wanted delivery to more than one address, then they would simply subscribe twice.

> I still need to double check the Mailman API to see what types of queries 
> it normally does. But for example, given a list name, it would want all of 
> the addresses of who it should send mail to. Another is given an email 
> address, is it allowed to send mail to the list in question.

Pardon my ignorance in this matter; I'm just trying to help. But, if you have complex queries for retrieving email addresses, etc., could you define views in the database that would return just the data that Mailman would expect? Or are you strictly limited to using only tables?

> -james


--- David Ostroske
    eksortso at linuxmail.org


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From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Fri Feb 21 16:02:32 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20030221195131.1689.qmail@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211600280.18831-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Ostroske wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance in this matter; I'm just trying to help. But, if you
> have complex queries for retrieving email addresses, etc., could you
> define views in the database that would return just the data that
> Mailman would expect? Or are you strictly limited to using only tables?

This would be up to PostgreSQL and markd2, our database guru. I've given 
him final say to any database structure changes. 
I've not dealt with views much. Are they cheaper than an equivelent join?

-james




From wplug at badgertronics.com  Fri Feb 21 16:17:50 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 21:17:50 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] schema for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211600280.18831-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
	(jo2y@midnightlinux.com)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211600280.18831-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
Message-ID: <20030221211750.11843.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>

> I've not dealt with views much. Are they cheaper than an equivelent join?

They're usually equivalent to pasting in the view definition into
the query.  Deep levels of  views can sometimes make the optimizer
miss some options.  In terms of person understanding , views can be
helpful for hiding complex queries involving joins across lots of tables.

Wheee,
++Mark Dalrymple, markd at badgertronics.com.  http://badgertronics.com
  "Q: I need a random number generator.
   A: Count errors in Herbert Schildt's C books.  No one has detected any
      consistent pattern." -- Peter Seebach, from The *other* C FAQ



From wplug at badgertronics.com  Mon Feb 24 18:46:09 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 24 Feb 2003 23:46:09 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] proxy fun
Message-ID: <20030224234609.5833.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>

Hey Gang,

I've been playing with my reverse proxy thing for the wplug.org
front-end, and am seeing something that's confusing me.

I've got my proxy (AOLserver based) listening on port 8083.  If it
sees an url with /mailman or /pipermail at the start, it'll talk to
the apache server currently running wplug.org.  The weird thing is
that apache isn't resolving the url correctly (or something).  I get

  Not Found
  The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/wplug was not found on this server.
  Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.wplug.org Port 8080

But if I go directly to wplug.org:8080 or just wplug.org with that
url it works great.  If I go through my proxy, nothing happens.
I don't see any activity happen in the access_log or the error_log
in /var/www/www.wplug.org/logs.  I do see activity in those logs if I put
in a bad url like http://www.wplug.org/hot/monkeybot/sex

What's also interesting is that the proxying to the aolserver/acs
instance running on port 8081 works great.

So things I'm wondering are:
  * Are there any other apache logs with diagnostic information

  * Is apache looking for any specific headers that I might not be
    providing
    - and if so, is there a way to get it to trace exactly which HTTP
      headers it's getting.  to compare what it gets from a browser
      vs what it's getting from me.

Thanks,
++md


From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Mon Feb 24 19:04:29 2003
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:04:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [wplug-web] proxy fun
In-Reply-To: <20030224234609.5833.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241901440.3388-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>

I see some activity in /var/log/httpd/error_log which makes me think that 
you aren't sending the host: header to apache. I tried to do this via 
telnet. Normally, one can type:
GET /mailman/listinfo HTTP/1.0
host: www.wplug.org

<output starts here>

That's a blank line before apache starts to send output. When I try, I can 
only type the GET line before things start processing.

-james





From wplug at badgertronics.com  Tue Feb 25 09:09:27 2003
From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 14:09:27 -0000
Subject: [wplug-web] proxy fun
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241901440.3388-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
	(jo2y@midnightlinux.com)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241901440.3388-100000@yar.midnightlinux.com>
Message-ID: <20030225140927.29476.qmail@59.acronhosting.net>

> I see some activity in /var/log/httpd/error_log which makes me think that
> you aren't sending the host: header to apache.

woop!  thanks for the clue.  The Host: header I was sending along was
malformed.

++md