From jo2y at midnightlinux.com Wed Dec 4 23:55:11 2002 From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:55:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [wplug-web] website planning meeting Message-ID: I was going to plan a meeting for after the GUM this Saturday, but I think the attendance would be low because of the Robots and food place grand opening. I'm tentatively planning to hold a meeting after or during the meeting on the 14th, so if you're interested, mark your calendar. I'll try and post an agenda this weekend. -james From jo2y at midnightlinux.com Tue Dec 10 22:57:28 2002 From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: <200212091727.26281.zman@wplug.org> Message-ID: Does Sunday Dec. 22nd work for people interested in building a website? If you just have an idea or two, but don't really want to help build things, you can send an email to me and I'll bring them up in the brainstorming parts. Rough agenda starting at time 0. 00:00 - 00:10 donuts and such (optional part) 00:10 - 00:30 brainstorming features we would like the site to include no implimentation details at this stage. 00:30 - 00:50 discuss our options to impliment the above. Decide LAMP, openacs, other. Also roll our own or off the shelf. ex: a custom search dodad, or integrate htdig 00:50 - 01:00 identify (in)dependant parts, and assign owners. Items to come out of the meeting are: decision on a platform and environment, owners of projects, and a vague timeline. I'm not sure how to police this, but I'd like those who vote on things only be those with time and skills to make a commitment to actually work on things. Nothing sucks more than being outvoted by people who will not actively take part. As such, I do not intend to vote because I know I don't have time to work on the implimentation of a site. I'd like to keep to this agenda, so if you have anything to add, please let me know. -james From evand at wplug.org Wed Dec 11 00:03:05 2002 From: evand at wplug.org (Evan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:03:05 -0500 Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll be there with my voting and implementation hat on. Evan On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 10:57 PM, James O'Kane wrote: > Does Sunday Dec. 22nd work for people interested in building a > website? If > you just have an idea or two, but don't really want to help build > things, > you can send an email to me and I'll bring them up in the brainstorming > parts. > > Rough agenda starting at time 0. > > 00:00 - 00:10 donuts and such (optional part) > 00:10 - 00:30 brainstorming features we would like the site to include > no implimentation details at this stage. > 00:30 - 00:50 discuss our options to impliment the above. Decide LAMP, > openacs, other. Also roll our own or off the shelf. ex: a > custom search dodad, or integrate htdig > 00:50 - 01:00 identify (in)dependant parts, and assign owners. > > > Items to come out of the meeting are: decision on a platform and > environment, owners of projects, and a vague timeline. > > I'm not sure how to police this, but I'd like those who vote on things > only be those with time and skills to make a commitment to actually > work > on things. Nothing sucks more than being outvoted by people who will > not > actively take part. As such, I do not intend to vote because I know I > don't have time to work on the implimentation of a site. > > > > I'd like to keep to this agenda, so if you have anything to add, please > let me know. > > > -james > > _______________________________________________ > wplug-web mailing list > wplug-web at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-web > Evan PGP Key: http://www.wplug.org/~evand/key.asc From eksortso at linuxmail.org Wed Dec 11 09:36:33 2002 From: eksortso at linuxmail.org (David Ostroske) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:36:33 -0500 Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting Message-ID: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> Sorry, James. December 22nd would not work for me at all. I have too much to do for the holidays, and I'll need the time to do them. Besides, aren't we meeting this weekend? Couldn't we do this then? There was a brainstorming session last month. In fact, some folks voted on their favorites already. Here's the site: http://badgertronics.com/wplug/newsite/ (We tend to lose these links in the flow of the list.) Whoever does the work, makes the decisions. Anyone who talks up doing some feature, then doesn't actually contribute, gets their feature put aside. Voting would matter on the parts that would affect all or most developers. That would include things like platforms, toolkits, and infrastructure. Anyone who has experience with these things should certainly have a vote, even if they don't have time to develop. I wouldn't vote (this is my first web project), but James, I'd think you should be able to. --- David Ostroske eksortso at linuxmail.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "James O'Kane" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) To: wplug-plan at wplug.org Subject: Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting > Does Sunday Dec. 22nd work for people interested in building a website? If > you just have an idea or two, but don't really want to help build things, > you can send an email to me and I'll bring them up in the brainstorming > parts. > > Rough agenda starting at time 0. > > 00:00 - 00:10 donuts and such (optional part) > 00:10 - 00:30 brainstorming features we would like the site to include > no implimentation details at this stage. > 00:30 - 00:50 discuss our options to impliment the above. Decide LAMP, > openacs, other. Also roll our own or off the shelf. ex: a > custom search dodad, or integrate htdig > 00:50 - 01:00 identify (in)dependant parts, and assign owners. > > > Items to come out of the meeting are: decision on a platform and > environment, owners of projects, and a vague timeline. > > I'm not sure how to police this, but I'd like those who vote on things > only be those with time and skills to make a commitment to actually work > on things. Nothing sucks more than being outvoted by people who will not > actively take part. As such, I do not intend to vote because I know I > don't have time to work on the implimentation of a site. > > > > I'd like to keep to this agenda, so if you have anything to add, please > let me know. > > > -james > > _______________________________________________ > wplug-plan mailing list > wplug-plan at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-plan > -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze From wplug at badgertronics.com Wed Dec 11 09:58:28 2002 From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple) Date: 11 Dec 2002 14:58:28 -0000 Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> (eksortso@linuxmail.org) References: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20021211145828.23371.qmail@above.badgertronics.com> > Sorry, James. December 22nd would not work for me at all. I have too > much to do for the holidays, and I'll need the time to do > them. Besides, aren't we meeting this weekend? Couldn't we do this > then? I'm the bottleneck. I think I brought some interesting technology to the table (OpenACS : check the demo at http://openacs.borkware.com. That was 2 and a half days work). I had to bug out early last week due to a band concert I had that afternoon (in Apollo). This weekend I have concerts in the afternoons saturday and sunday. It'd be nice to come to some Decision one way or the other during the break so that we can get whatever services installed on wplug.org and back to work while our Youthful And Energetic contributors are on school break. ++Mark Dalrymple, markd at badgertronics.com. http://badgertronics.com "I like to use it to post my pictures," the Prince of Darkness said, pulling up his home page on his PowerBook. "See, here's me during the Black Plague. Here's me during the Spanish Inquisition. Here's me in the Killing Fields in Cambodia. Here's me at the Microsoft verdict." -- John Moltz From wplug at badgertronics.com Wed Dec 11 11:36:55 2002 From: wplug at badgertronics.com (Mark Dalrymple) Date: 11 Dec 2002 16:36:55 -0000 Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> (eksortso@linuxmail.org) References: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20021211163655.24720.qmail@above.badgertronics.com> > Voting would matter on the parts that would affect all or most > developers. That would include things like platforms, toolkits, and > infrastructure. Anyone who has experience with these things should > certainly have a vote, even if they don't have time to develop. I think one concern is folks coming in who 'toe the line' using popular packages: "Zope sucks. We shouldn't use it. MySQL and PHP all the way!" And then don't contribute. Then the 3 or 4 folks who wanted to use Zope (or whatever) and are actually doing the work are now either stuck using tools they don't like, or we go back to square one, or they just fade away and the website stays in its current state. Luckily WPLUG doesn't tend to demonstrate this kind of rabidity (witnessed by the number of ibooks that show up at GUMs :-), so I'm not particularly worried of a filibuster. ++Mark Dalrymple, markd at badgertronics.com. http://badgertronics.com "By the way, if at one point you had a job building molds in a factory does that make you a former former former?" -- Gary From jo2y at midnightlinux.com Fri Dec 13 13:01:46 2002 From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:01:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20021211143633.21470.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, David Ostroske wrote: > Sorry, James. December 22nd would not work for me at all. I have too > much to do for the holidays, and I'll need the time to do them. Besides, > aren't we meeting this weekend? Couldn't we do this then? We could and we might. I was just pinging the crowd to see if that was a better time because of the time limits of our in-house openacs expert. > There was a brainstorming session last month. In fact, some folks voted > on their favorites already. Here's the site: > http://badgertronics.com/wplug/newsite/ If we have a list, we could shorten that time and length the other section. I knew there a bunch of idea floating around somewhere. But it helps to have several people in a room throwing things around and seeing what combinations of ideas come out. > Whoever does the work, makes the decisions. Anyone who talks up doing > some feature, then doesn't actually contribute, gets their feature put > aside. Voting would matter on the parts that would affect all or most > developers. That would include things like platforms, toolkits, and > infrastructure. Anyone who has experience with these things should > certainly have a vote, even if they don't have time to develop. I > wouldn't vote (this is my first web project), but James, I'd think you > should be able to. I plan to do near zero amount of work on the website. I'll probably help with the server side setup and administration because I help once in a while with that already. For this project, I'm only planning on acting as a project manager, so I'll leave the decision of tool up to those who have more time. I am sensing from this list and irc that those who have voiced an opinion say openacs and the rest don't care? I do remember one offer of java help. I guess we could be less formal and just pick openacs and start thinking about some of the other steps, such as off-the-shelf vs custom things. -james From jaaronfarr at yahoo.com Fri Dec 13 13:30:02 2002 From: jaaronfarr at yahoo.com (J Aaron Farr) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [wplug-web] Re: [wplug-plan] website planning meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021213183002.56799.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> --- James O'Kane wrote: [snip] > I am sensing from this list and irc that those who have voiced an opinion > say openacs and the rest don't care? I do remember one offer of java help. > I guess we could be less formal and just pick openacs and start thinking > about some of the other steps, such as off-the-shelf vs custom things. > > -james > I think I was the java person. Or at least I can do java web applications. I'm working on some stuff for my own internal site now actually. On that note, I haven't been involved with WPLUG's website in the past, but I'd be willing to help. I could do artwork, content, or put together some custom applications -- especially anything in java. So, if there is a meeting and if those currently involved in the site wouldn't mind my tagging along, I'd be more than willing to attend and contribute. jaaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From zman at wplug.org Sat Dec 21 16:46:24 2002 From: zman at wplug.org (Zach Paine) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:46:24 -0500 Subject: [wplug-web] Web Meeting Message-ID: <200212211646.24755.zman@wplug.org> I apologize profusely for the extremely late notice. Mark, James, Evan and I will be meeting at the Barnes and Noble in Squirell Hill today at 5pm to talk about plans for the website. If you are interested in *helping* with the site, please feel free to come by. A number of factors pushed the meeting to today, and I'm sorry that we could not get better notice out. Rest assured though that if you have ideas for the website, or want to help, that there will be future opportunities to do so. Later, Zach From eksortso at linuxmail.org Mon Dec 23 12:29:34 2002 From: eksortso at linuxmail.org (David Ostroske) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:29:34 -0500 Subject: [wplug-web] Web Meeting Message-ID: <20021223172934.20163.qmail@linuxmail.org> From: Zach Paine Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:46:24 -0500 [...] > Rest assured > though that if you have ideas for the website, or want to help, that there > will be future opportunities to do so. GOOD. DON'T THINK IT'S NOT APPRECIATED. > Later, > Zach --- David Ostroske eksortso at linuxmail.org -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze