From rdale at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 04:15:54 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 04:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] lain Message-ID: I think we should have another meeting one of these weekends to continue development discussion. Anyone up for that? -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From zman at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 10:38:24 2001 From: zman at wplug.org (Zach Paine) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Push unstable? In-Reply-To: ; from rdale@wplug.org on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 22:10:55 -0500 References: <20010331182702.C17057@katra.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010401103821.C20215@katra.dyndns.org> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:10:55 Robert Dale wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > > > I think we need to have a more usable page at www.wplug.org than what > is > > there right now, so can we remove the user stuff from unstable and put > that > > there? I think this would be good considering the message from the > list > > asking if there is actaully a reliable place for meeting info, and we > are > > about to move into a heavy development and re-vamp phase. What do you > guys > > think? > > I question the security of it. > > What steps will you take to make sure it is safe? That's why I want to remove the user stuff. Anything that would create a potential security risk. Put a non-interactive version up. If we want to keep the pages that update the news and such, perhaps we could put them in a password protected directory (.htpasswd and .htaccess kind of deal). -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From zman at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 10:00:50 2001 From: zman at wplug.org (Zach Paine) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:00:50 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] lain In-Reply-To: ; from rdale@wplug.org on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 04:15:54 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010401100047.D17886@katra.dyndns.org> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 04:15:54 Robert Dale wrote: > > I think we should have another meeting one of these weekends > to continue development discussion. Anyone up for that? > > -- > Robert Dale > > wplug member since 1998 Si senor. When? We could do it next weekend at/before/after the GUM, but I would prefer to do it the weekend after that. -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From zman at angstrom.net Sun Apr 1 12:27:30 2001 From: zman at angstrom.net (Zach Paine) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:27:30 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] lain Message-ID: <20010401122730.B20629@wplug.org> Meeting would be good. When should we do it? How about at this upcoming GUM? Since we have the room from 10-5 we should have time. -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From rdale at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 15:48:03 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] lain In-Reply-To: <20010401100047.D17886@katra.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > Si senor. When? We could do it next weekend at/before/after the GUM, but > I would prefer to do it the weekend after that. And then he wrote again: > Meeting would be good. When should we do it? How about at this upcoming > GUM? Since we have the room from 10-5 we should have time. Which one is the real one and which one is the April Fools one? -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From zman at angstrom.net Sun Apr 1 15:46:46 2001 From: zman at angstrom.net (Zach Paine) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] lain In-Reply-To: ; from rdale@wplug.org on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:48:03PM -0400 References: <20010401100047.D17886@katra.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010401154646.A9050@wplug.org> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:48:03PM -0400, Robert Dale wrote: > Which one is the real one and which one is the April Fools one? I would like to do it at the GUM. I had email troubles and I changed my mine. I'm solid now, thank you very much :) -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From rdale at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 16:03:02 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] lain In-Reply-To: <20010401154646.A9050@wplug.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:48:03PM -0400, Robert Dale wrote: > > Which one is the real one and which one is the April Fools one? > > I would like to do it at the GUM. I had email troubles and I changed my mine. > I'm solid now, thank you very much :) Works for me. -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From evand at wplug.org Sun Apr 1 19:25:41 2001 From: evand at wplug.org (Evan DiBiase) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] lain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Robert Dale wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:48:03PM -0400, Robert Dale wrote: > > > Which one is the real one and which one is the April Fools one? > > > > I would like to do it at the GUM. I had email troubles and I changed my mine. > > I'm solid now, thank you very much :) > > Works for me. /me too. -Evan From zman at angstrom.net Mon Apr 2 22:11:16 2001 From: zman at angstrom.net (Zach Paine) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:11:16 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Lain Message-ID: <20010402221116.A12881@wplug.org> I just got the source for lain, and I took a look at the db diagram. Wow :) I know you guys already did this, but could we take some time at the meeting to go over the database and in general the ideas behind lain? Then perhaps some more of the code would make sense to me and I can start contributing :) Should we start a bugzilla project for lain? What should we do with the existing unstable and stable bugzilla projects? -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From evand at wplug.org Mon Apr 2 22:41:15 2001 From: evand at wplug.org (Evan DiBiase) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Lain In-Reply-To: <20010402221116.A12881@wplug.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > I just got the source for lain, and I took a look at the db diagram. Wow :) > I know you guys already did this, but could we take some time at the meeting > to go over the database and in general the ideas behind lain? Then perhaps > some more of the code would make sense to me and I can start contributing :) > Should we start a bugzilla project for lain? What should we do with the > existing unstable and stable bugzilla projects? Shouldn't be too hard to explain the DB stuff to you -- I could, probably, but the people who actually know DB stuff (namely, rob and jo2y) would probably be better at that. As for starting a bugzilla project, we have a bug tracker at SourceForge, which should be used for lain bugs (as opposed to unstable/stable bugs), based on the lines we drew up unofficially before: lain is a general project that wplug just happens to be using. So, the unstable and stable bugzilla stuff should stay, but bugs that have to do with the engine belong on SF. -Evan From zman at angstrom.net Thu Apr 5 21:10:36 2001 From: zman at angstrom.net (Zach Paine) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Is Unstable Unsafe Message-ID: <20010405211036.A19270@wplug.org> Woo!! Subject aliteration. Anyways, would it be unsafe to push unstable as it is? A user is not really provided with anything as far as services go, but the whole site in general is prettier and easier to use than what is at wplug.org now. -- Zach Paine http://www.wplug.org/~zman/zman.key Key available from pgp.ai.mit.edu ID: 87746D3D Fingerprint: B813 EFB8 ECD0 0C34 6F7F 71DD 01E9 17C3 8774 6D3D From billings at negate.org Fri Apr 6 19:05:54 2001 From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Is Unstable Unsafe In-Reply-To: <20010405211036.A19270@wplug.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > Woo!! Subject aliteration. Anyways, would it be unsafe to push unstable as > it is? A user is not really provided with anything as far as services go, but > the whole site in general is prettier and easier to use than what is at > wplug.org now. y'know, we need to come to an agreement on how to decide when to push stuff. milestones? just time? how do other development projects do this? From rdale at wplug.org Fri Apr 6 20:33:59 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Is Unstable Unsafe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Zach Paine wrote: > > > Woo!! Subject aliteration. Anyways, would it be unsafe to push unstable as > > it is? A user is not really provided with anything as far as services go, but > > the whole site in general is prettier and easier to use than what is at > > wplug.org now. > > y'know, we need to come to an agreement on how to decide when to push > stuff. milestones? just time? how do other development projects do > this? Good point. I think milestones are a necessity for any project. Setting milestones enforces good planning from the beginning. It becomes the project planner - everyone knows what has to be done before moving on to the next part. And when the last milestone is met, the project is complete. That's when you 'push'. We can discuss the particulars for lain at this saturday's meeting. -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From rdale at wplug.org Sat Apr 7 21:22:58 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] meeting notes Message-ID: attendees: billings, jo2y, rob We came up with a poposed Milestone 1 of - database structure - we pretty have this complete for M1 and we will always be coming back to it - user self-management - account creation * - management - change password - edit profile - administration - user management - set capabilities - disable accounts - sessions - login/out * backend - user creates account - send email to address - user clicks confirmation URL - create the account ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ discussion for additional features.. Two voting mechanisms: 1. Polls - user-oriented - didn't really talk beyond this 2. Board Decisions - history of decisions so we don't talk about the same thing over again - a decision page - topic at top - row for each constituent at the time of the decision - a column for each constituent's most recent comment - the comment box will contain a link to a history of comment changes - an indicator of the constituent's current status - ascent - indifferent - object - has not responded - decision table - type - ascent - no objection - majority - quorum - topic - date posted - deadline - reference to related decisions - if an ammendment is made to a decision, it starts an all new decision process - current board members --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIN -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From rdale at wplug.org Mon Apr 9 12:36:51 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] feature Message-ID: is Lain going to have a photojournal feature? something like it pictures related to events something like IT and member pictures -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From billings at negate.org Sat Apr 14 06:00:05 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104141000.GAA03105@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From billings at negate.org Sun Apr 15 06:00:04 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104151000.GAA05897@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From billings at negate.org Mon Apr 16 06:00:04 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104161000.GAA13106@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From billings at negate.org Tue Apr 17 06:00:04 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104171000.GAA15881@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From billings at negate.org Wed Apr 18 06:00:05 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104181000.GAA18708@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From billings at negate.org Thu Apr 19 06:00:04 2001 From: billings at negate.org (billings at negate.org) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 06:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Wplug-web] Your Bugzilla buglist needs attention. Message-ID: <200104191000.GAA21566@wplug.org> [This e-mail has been automatically generated.] You have one or more bugs assigned to you in the Bugzilla bugsystem (http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/) that require attention. All of these bugs are in the NEW state, and have not been touched in 7 days or more. You need to take a look at them, and decide on an initial action. Generally, this means one of three things: (1) You decide this bug is really quick to deal with (like, it's INVALID), and so you get rid of it immediately. (2) You decide the bug doesn't belong to you, and you reassign it to someone else. (Hint: if you don't know who to reassign it to, make sure that the Component field seems reasonable, and then use the "Reassign bug to owner of selected component" option.) (3) You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. Just use the "Accept bug" command. To get a list of all NEW bugs, you can use this URL (bookmark it if you like!): http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&assigned_to=wplug-web at wplug.org Or, you can use the general query page, at http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi. Appended below are the individual URLs to get to all of your NEW bugs that haven't been touched for a week or more. You will get this message once a day until you've dealt with these bugs! http://bugs.wplug.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=22 From evand at wplug.org Sat Apr 21 13:41:24 2001 From: evand at wplug.org (Evan DiBiase) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Meeting This Weekend? Message-ID: Since we didn't have a meeting last weekend, and there's still some stuff to be discussed, what does this meeting look like for having a meeting? I'm free today and tomorrow... -Evan From billings at negate.org Sat Apr 21 18:52:01 2001 From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Meeting This Weekend? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010421185035.L35276-100000@boson.negate.org> I believe we decided noonish was a good idea. This is lain-specific, or the wplug instantiation specific? Dunno. lain is still at it's larval stage now, so either way, any input is useful. --jonathan On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Evan DiBiase wrote: > Since we didn't have a meeting last weekend, and there's still some > stuff to be discussed, what does this meeting look like for having a > meeting? I'm free today and tomorrow... > > -Evan > > _______________________________________________ > Wplug-web mailing list > Wplug-web at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-web > From rdale at wplug.org Sat Apr 21 19:58:24 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Meeting This Weekend? In-Reply-To: <20010421185035.L35276-100000@boson.negate.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Jonathan Billings wrote: > I believe we decided noonish was a good idea. This is lain-specific, or > the wplug instantiation specific? Dunno. lain is still at it's larval > stage now, so either way, any input is useful. Official meeting time: Noon place: Whizbang! lain is being modelled, mostly, after wplug's needs. So, input in a wplug-sense or a generic-sense is indeed useful. -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998 From jo2y at midnightlinux.com Sat Apr 21 20:59:13 2001 From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] Meeting This Weekend? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Robert Dale wrote: > Official meeting time: Noon > place: Whizbang! Someone call me around 11 to make sure I'm up. Should we pack a lunch or will we order one? -james From rdale at wplug.org Tue Apr 24 00:43:40 2001 From: rdale at wplug.org (Robert Dale) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wplug-web] suggested reading for lain Message-ID: http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2000/12/15/xslt_servlets.html -- Robert Dale wplug member since 1998