[wplug-plan] Making the big changes

simkins greg gregsimkins at me.com
Wed Dec 5 19:27:31 EST 2012


Hi John, 

Please don't wait for me.  I don't think I really have anything to add, but please let me know if you think otherwise.  I am willing to help WPLUG as needed, but as I mentioned, I find these political issues to be so frustrating that I don't think I would be helpful.  

Greg



On Dec 6, 2012, at 9:18 AM, John Lewis <oflameo2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> I don't see why it is necessary to wait to until January to have a 
> constitutional convention. We could just utilize the medium we currently 
> have (Email) to do it. There isn't anything to stop us except for 
> ratification and that doesn't happen until everything else is worked out 
> anyways.
> 
> Email isn't that bad. The kernel developers use to use emails, tar 
> balls, Gnu c compiler, and file transfer protocol to develop the kernel. 
> Sure they can do it a bit easier now with git, but we have git too if we 
> need it.
> 
> On 12/05/2012 03:59 PM, simkins greg wrote:
>> Hi Justin,
>> 
>> The key word in your comments is "...because of our bylaws".  Yes, they should be changed.  I am not sure how to do that and I will likely be unavailable for your convention, unless it happens in late January/early February (I expect to be home for a few weeks).  I found out how WPLUG differs from every other organization to which I belonged when I was asked to stand for office.  Normally, this would be an honor and I was honored, until I found out that I was just an extra name on the list to make the election competitive.  I was hurt and insulted and stopped participating in any WPLUG politics. I see no reason for a competitive election.  If there is a controversial issue, then I guess that requires a competitive election, but normally professional groups operation by consensus.  Volunteer labor is hard enough to come by without such nonsense.
>> 
>> If you don't want to throw out the bylaws and adopt model bylaws from a healthy organization, then perhaps you could benchmark off of any nationally successful organization.  I belonged to ASM and ASQ for most of my career.
>> 
>> I mean these comments to be constructive.  I still enjoy WPLUG meetings when I can make it.  I just cannot abide WPLUG politics.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
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