[wplug-plan] Meetting idea a debate stemming from the debate on line from the subject "On the subject of wardriving..."

Richard Farina r.farina at adelphia.net
Thu Mar 31 13:07:54 EST 2005


At 03:57 PM 3/30/2005, Beth Lynn wrote:
>Hello,
>
>So Rich, just so we can be clear on this, if the question was something 
>like "Is it legal to find and use unsecured wireless access points for 
>otherwise legal Internet activity?" you would be arguing the affirmative.
Half Right, it is legal to find and unsecured wireless access points.  Use 
may or may not be legal, but is likely not.

-Rick Farina


>Who wants to argue the opposition?
>
>We also need a judge to insure that this is a professional debate. If 
>someone gets childish (the affirmative, the opposition or the audience) 
>that that person is ejected from the room until the end of the debate.
>
>Thanks,
>Beth Lynn
>
>PS Drew has been bcc-ed to protect his privacy.
>PSS The above is not official question of debate. I was just putting that 
>out there as a possiblity.
>
>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Richard Farina wrote:
>
>>Of course I will volunteer for a debate on this topic.  Drew would also 
>>be there, I can assure this.
>>
>>-Rick Farina
>>
>>At 12:56 PM 3/30/2005, Michael P. O Connor wrote:
>>>Also if we were to do a debate, maybe we should not debate "wardriving"
>>>but debate "The act of finding hotspots and mapping them on a public
>>>accessible web site" or "Finding and using unsecured wireless access
>>>points" or some other similar topic that should be fully spelled out,
>>>since we don't agree on the def of "wardriving" is and there are even
>>>arguments over what the definition is there has been at lest 2
>>>definitions I seen posted to the list.
>>>But I would like to stress NO NAME CALLING (sorry for shouting there,
>>>but I seen over the last 2 days a bit of that going on, on the main
>>>list, and for a debate to be done well, we must stick only to the ideas,
>>>and remember that all involve are [for the most part] interested in the
>>>truth)
>>>
>>> > 1) also we need to keep it nice, no name calling
>>> >
>>> > 2) also I will volentear to do eather jugde if needed (but I would say I
>>> > might not be the best since I have stated my side and it could look bad)
>>> > or to be on one side.
>>> >
>>> > > Hello,
>>> > >
>>> > > In theory a debate could work but as of now there are several important
>>> > > pieces that are missing.
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. A formal question in which to debate.
>>> > > 2. A definition of wardriving.
>>> > > 3. Someone to take the Affirmative
>>> > > 4. Someone to take the Opposed
>>> > > 5. A more structured debate format with giving time to both sides to
>>>state
>>> > > the positions and rebuttal
>>> > > 6. Someone to judge to we keep things on time and enforce who is
>>>allowed
>>> > > to speak when
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyone want to volunteer?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks,
>>> > > Beth Lynn
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Jonathan S Billings wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Michael P. O Connor wrote:
>>> > > >> This has been a very intersting talk, on the wplug list.  And I have
>>> > > >> gotten an idea, is it posable (with the blessings of the board) that
>>> > > >> maybe we could scedual a Saterday for a full debate, we could 
>>> get the
>>> > > >> different people on this list that have already done some debate
>>>on it,
>>> > > >> mail each other so they can prepear for it. here is a suggested
>>>sqedula
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> 1) Each side will have 30 minutes to present their side of the
>>>argument
>>> > > >> 2) 30 Miniute break to prepare a responce to the other sides points
>>> > > >> 3) present their responces
>>> > > >> 4) Questions from the audiance to the two sides (how ever much
>>>time is
>>> > > >> needed to anser questiosn or till we have to leave)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I think this is fairly well done on the mailing list.  It'd be 
>>> nice if
>>> > > > some people got together and did a joint presentation on what
>>>Wardriving
>>> > > > is, but I don't think that a public debate would be very easy to run.
>>> > > > People in WPLUG are too argumentative.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Jonathan S. Billings <billings at negate.org>
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>>> > Michael P. O'Connor
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>>> > http://www.mikeoconnor.net
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>>>http://www.mikeoconnor.net
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