[wplug-plan] Re: [wplug] NOTICE: Member Organizational Meeting

[squeegy+wplug at squeegy.org]

This guy (David Tessitor) has single handedly kept me from even
bothering to read my wplug mail anymore.  I read this message by
accident.  I can't believe that this guy is still causing trouble
here.  Ban his useless ass and lets move on.  We have thrown other
trouble makers out of our group before.

>
> > SOME  COMMENTS  for those who care about WPLUG:
> >
> > Of course, there is nothing wrong with this, however, having
> > the opportunity available for everyone to enjoy depends upon
> > that somebody and someone who happen to do the work.
>
> Why do you say "there is nothing wrong with this" when you obviously think
> there is?
>
> > While many "members" are perfectly content with everything
>
> I am very unhappy with your choice to put the word 'members' in
> double-quotes.  Name names, rather than hinting.  There is no evil upper
> hierachy keeping you from doing anything.  You may like to represent it
> that way, but it's more like this: People willing to do things do
> things.
>
> > remaining just as it has been, the group's openness has
> > attracted people whose perspective of Linux isn't steeped in
> > their day to day professional lives.  Some of these people
> > would like WPLUG to offer more than it currently does, and
> > they have expressed a willingness to put in the necessary
> > effort to make it happen.  Unfortunately, while comfortable to
> > some, WPLUG's structurelessness renders impossible these
> > ambitions.
>
> You chose the word "impossible", which is a very strong word.  Are they
> subscribed to the list?  Can they not post?  Can they come to meetings and
> talk to members?  You seem to equate a structure of governing with the
> ability to get things done.  I need not explain how wrong this is, but
> just give two examples.  The US senate.  Open Source Programming.
>
> >                  Furthermore, whether overt or covert, an
> > insistence upon continuing the present arrangements (with, at
> > most, superficial adjustments) effectively forbids any efforts
> > to try to do more.
>
> I really don't see how you can get about making these wild accusations
> without sounding paranoid and being argumentative.
>
> > What is missing is effective organization and that begins with
> > structure.  Organizational structure is the skeleton of any
> > organization.  It doesn't matter how much muscle, energy,
> > talent, and desire there may be to do anything, without a
> > skeleton upon which to function, an organism is reduced to
> > being, at best, a pulsating blob on the floor. -- In the
> > biological sphere, slugs, slimemold, protoplasms, jellyfish,
> > and worms represent about the highest level of life forms
> > which one can find without solid structures.  In an
> > organizational context, unstructured counterparts range from
> > the occasional, spontaneous mob action down to simple
> > get-togethers which may or may not be somewhat regularized.
>
> I see you are comparing organizations to the biological structure in
> life.  May I remind you that while bacteria, molds and nematodes may lack
> stucture, they are the also the fastest to evolve and adapt to new
> situations, because they aren't overburdened by maintaining the structure
> you so highly value.  Also, if you looked at the total biomass of such
> creatures on the earth, you'd find that the majority of biomass is made up
> of very simple organisms, lacking very much structure at all.
>
> But I am most impressed by your choice to include slime molds.  I think
> that our group is very well described by this simple organism.  You see,
> slime molds usually live out their life as a blob of undifferentiated
> cells.  But, when it comes to reproduce, it *becomes* a structured
> organization, some cells becoming rigid stalks, some becoming protective
> shells, and some creating spores to fire off to some new area to
> explore.  WPLUG's behavior mirrors this.  We all work independantly, but
> when it comes time that we need to decide on a new project, we can all
> choose roles that will let us work toward that new project.  We are not
> burdened by that useless structure until it is necessary.
>
> > As we begin the new year-century-millennium, I look forward to
> > working with you as a fellow WPLUG member to realize our best
> > potential.  I hope to see you at February's 2pm Member
> > Organizational Meeting.
>
> I would also appreciate if people actually went to the meetings, where
> they could experience what WPLUG is *REALLY* about.  While DT might have
> good ideas for what WPLUG could be, I think he really doesn't care about
> what WPLUG is about.  He doesn't go to meetings.  He doesn't know much
> about what linux is.  He doesn't understand the open source movement.  It
> seems his knowledge of political matters is quite expansive, but I doubt
> that his desires to 'improve' wplug does not lie in promoting linux, but
> only toward his own political agendas.
>
>
> -- jonathan "No Nickname" billings
>
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