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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tony,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand your concerns, and that is
why I posted the message. I happen to know a member personally and I talk
to him on an almost daily basis. The difference here is I took the initiative
to post finally on the board to get discussion started. I am including
you or I wouldn’t have posted at all. To answer more directly, the
group will be run by people who are actually looking to run it. Hence my
idea of, if you’re not interested in planning, don’t show up in the
first hour. I believe it’s not wrong for me to discuss ideas with
people outside of the message boards. I won’t lie, I want a certain
direction for our group, but I like democracy as well. What I did was
bounce and idea of my friend, he discussed it with someone he new, and woila,
now I posted to the board. I even discussed the ideas for the group with
my girlfriend, would you like a transcript of that transaction as well. Also
Tony, by my posting I am asking you to be part of it, so come to the planning
meeting, discuss planning issues, and you too have a say in what the future
holds. What I’m trying to do is give people who don’t care
about planning or setting up when the next meetings will be an option out.
Finally, I was the first to post about the issue, at no point were you stopped
from saying anything, what I meant was that nobody else seemed to be talking
about this, I was just the first to put a message out, hence the my statement
about being quite. I hope that I have answered all of question and
concerns with good answers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>www.justbill.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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wplug-erie-admin@wplug.org [mailto:wplug-erie-admin@wplug.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony Azevedo<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 18, 2004
6:11 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wplug-erie@wplug.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [wplug-erie] Up Coming
Erie Meeting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well I have to say Bill that I read your last post with both
amazement and disappointment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>First of all I should say that I mostly agree with
what you posted. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>But I have to ask this question and use your own words</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"a group is only as good as what is put into
it."</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>That being said how is it that this discussion took place
off the message boards instead of in it?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I don't know how many people took part in this off group
discussion but I can say this. I WAS NOT ASKED TO BE PART OF IT.and I
guess it bothers me that already the group has established a pecking order that
does not include everyone. Now here we are just a few days away from the
meeting and it sounds like to me the agenda has already been set. And
that it is just a formality to ask if there is any other input to make people
who were not included in this discussion feel good.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I will only speak for myself here when I say I have been a
memeber of computer groups before. And I have to say that the biggest killer
of this or any other group is to make people feel like they are
outsiders. Now I know I had to be late for the first two meetings but I
did attend both. So I would think that I have demonstrated that I am
interested in getting this group going. Yet I was not included in this
off list discussion. Could you tell me why? Personally I would like
to know upfront if this group is going to be run by a select few
people. You make the statement that the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Erie</st1:place></st1:City> list had been very quiet. Well I
guess it would not have been if you would have had this discussion within the
list.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Again I have been at both meetings of this group. I
think I have demonstrated that I would like to be a part of making this group
work. But I have to tell you that right now I feel very dejected about
this turn of events. If my input at this point means anything then let me
make this suggestion for discussion. At some point there is going to have
to be a discussion made about who is going to run the show. And I guess I
would like to know that everyone is going to be made to feel welcome and that
nobody for any reason is going to be left out of the loop. For me
personally if I am not going to be included in this process then I would like
to know up front. That way I won't make an ass of myself trying to
participate where I'm not wanted or needed.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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font-family:Arial'>Tony</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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