From calendar-notification at google.com Fri Aug 3 10:00:45 2007 From: calendar-notification at google.com (Google Calendar) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:00:45 -0700 Subject: [wplug-erie] [Reminder] ErieLUG @ Sat Aug 4 10am - 12pm () Message-ID: wplug-erie at wplug.org, this is a reminder for Title: ErieLUG Time: Sat Aug 4 10am - 12pm (Eastern Time) Where: Hamot Heart Institute 120 East 2nd St. Erie PA 16507 Calendar: Description: Time: 10:00-ish We will start by 10:30 at the latest. Date: 04 Aug 07 Place: Hamot Heart Institute (across the street from Blasco Library) Meeting in the 3rd Conference Room., Signs will be posted inside, and there is free parking. Google Directions Jesse will be talking about FVMW. "FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual desktop window manager for the X Window system. Development is active, and support is excellent. 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URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070805/2bfc5ea2/attachment.html From mengel at allegheny.edu Thu Aug 23 08:32:50 2007 From: mengel at allegheny.edu (Matthew T. Engel) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:32:50 -0400 Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating Message-ID: <003901c7e581$b83bd7e0$18e2c38d@allegheny.edu> I have a dual boot (XP/FC) IBM X60. The user has installed customized user-mode kernels and the laptop palm rest becomes extremely hot after running for several hours. The laptop does not over heat or shut down, just becomes very hot to the touch. Running the laptop in Windows XP, for the same time or longer w/various apps, and IBM diagnostic utilities yields no problems or over heating. I'm thinking that it is safe to assume that the problem lies somewhere within the linux kernels. Is there a good way to monitor/track the kernel's effect on the hardware so that I may be able to tell for certain if it is the linux kernel? Thanks, Matt Matthew T. Engel Systems Administrator Allegheny College, Department of Computer Science Meadville, PA 16335 mengel at allegheny.edu mtengel at andrew.cmu.edu (814) 332-2906 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070823/1fefd31d/attachment.html From justbill at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 12:27:37 2007 From: justbill at gmail.com (Just Bill) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:27:37 -0400 Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating In-Reply-To: <003901c7e581$b83bd7e0$18e2c38d@allegheny.edu> References: <003901c7e581$b83bd7e0$18e2c38d@allegheny.edu> Message-ID: <61459d240708230927y1cdf5bf1i2f4c2e899e3142a8@mail.gmail.com> In my experience with laptops, they will "overheat" basically because of how the are designed. Between the laptop charging all the time ( I assume because he's using it multiple hours at a time so it needs to plug in) and, small fans to cool hot processors, it just seems inevitable. Every laptop I've ever owned becomes very hot after hours of constant use no matter the OS. On the other hand you don't say if its getting hotter when running Linux vs MS, though I'm assuming it is because your question seems to imply that there is a different in OS's. To be honest though I'd look at the battery power management for Linux if it's gettting hotter than Windows. The IBM may not have as efficient driver for battery charging and isn't "trickleing" the lithium battery correctly. I'm only guessing to look there because I'm assuming again that the battery module is towards the front of the laptop and that is where the excessive heating is. Basically when the battery is discharging it's producing heat and the Linux kernel may not be telling the computer to ignore battery and just use the inline power so it keeps discharging and charging the battery constantly. All in all though, if it's not causing either OS to lock up and neither OS is saying there is something massively wrong, it just let it be and get a laptop cooler to help keep it cool. Good Luck, Just Bill On 8/23/07, Matthew T. Engel wrote: > > I have a dual boot (XP/FC) IBM X60. The user has installed customized > user-mode kernels and the laptop palm rest becomes extremely hot after > running for several hours. The laptop does not over heat or shut down, just > becomes very hot to the touch. > > > > Running the laptop in Windows XP, for the same time or longer w/various > apps, and IBM diagnostic utilities yields no problems or over heating. > > > > I'm thinking that it is safe to assume that the problem lies somewhere > within the linux kernels. Is there a good way to monitor/track the kernel's > effect on the hardware so that I may be able to tell for certain if it is > the linux kernel? > > > > Thanks, Matt > > > > > > > Matthew T. Engel > > Systems Administrator > > Allegheny College, Department of Computer Science > > Meadville, PA 16335 > > mengel at allegheny.edu > > mtengel at andrew.cmu.edu > > (814) 332-2906 > > > > _______________________________________________ > wplug-erie mailing list > wplug-erie at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-erie > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070823/cdea77ac/attachment.html From skeiper at c-wd.net Thu Aug 23 12:36:41 2007 From: skeiper at c-wd.net (Seth Keiper) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:36:41 -0400 Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating In-Reply-To: <61459d240708230927y1cdf5bf1i2f4c2e899e3142a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <003901c7e581$b83bd7e0$18e2c38d@allegheny.edu> <61459d240708230927y1cdf5bf1i2f4c2e899e3142a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Also, when you say "customized user-mode kernels," do you mean this user compiled their own kernel? If so, then look towards a more generic kernel and see if it helps. Also, make sure where the fan blows out is definitely clear of any junk. I usually blow out the heatsink and all, this is where I notice most of the overheating is rooted from. What distro is being used by chance? There are some distros that have had issues running on Linux. On 8/23/07, Just Bill wrote: > > In my experience with laptops, they will "overheat" basically because of > how the are designed. Between the laptop charging all the time ( I assume > because he's using it multiple hours at a time so it needs to plug in) and, > small fans to cool hot processors, it just seems inevitable. Every laptop > I've ever owned becomes very hot after hours of constant use no matter the > OS. On the other hand you don't say if its getting hotter when running > Linux vs MS, though I'm assuming it is because your question seems to imply > that there is a different in OS's. To be honest though I'd look at the > battery power management for Linux if it's gettting hotter than Windows. > The IBM may not have as efficient driver for battery charging and isn't > "trickleing" the lithium battery correctly. I'm only guessing to look there > because I'm assuming again that the battery module is towards the front of > the laptop and that is where the excessive heating is. Basically when the > battery is discharging it's producing heat and the Linux kernel may not be > telling the computer to ignore battery and just use the inline power so it > keeps discharging and charging the battery constantly. All in all though, > if it's not causing either OS to lock up and neither OS is saying there is > something massively wrong, it just let it be and get a laptop cooler to help > keep it cool. > > Good Luck, > > Just Bill > > > On 8/23/07, Matthew T. Engel wrote: > > > I have a dual boot (XP/FC) IBM X60. The user has installed customized > > user-mode kernels and the laptop palm rest becomes extremely hot after > > running for several hours. The laptop does not over heat or shut down, just > > becomes very hot to the touch. > > > > > > > > Running the laptop in Windows XP, for the same time or longer w/various > > apps, and IBM diagnostic utilities yields no problems or over heating. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking that it is safe to assume that the problem lies somewhere > > within the linux kernels. Is there a good way to monitor/track the kernel's > > effect on the hardware so that I may be able to tell for certain if it is > > the linux kernel? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew T. Engel > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Allegheny College , Department of Computer Science > > > > Meadville, PA 16335 > > > > mengel at allegheny.edu > > > > mtengel at andrew.cmu.edu > > > > (814) 332-2906 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wplug-erie mailing list > > wplug-erie at wplug.org > > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-erie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wplug-erie mailing list > wplug-erie at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-erie > > -- Seth Keiper @ C-WD.NET skeiper at c-wd.net http://www.c-wd.net http://c-wd.net/GetFireFox/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070823/af609b9c/attachment.html From a-bruiexjr at lycos.com Sat Aug 25 07:21:43 2007 From: a-bruiexjr at lycos.com (Bruce Arkwright Jr.) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating Message-ID: <20070825072143.HM.0000000000002sr@a-bruiexjr.bos-mail-wwl22.lycos.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070825/5fa6d99f/attachment.html From justbill at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 15:33:55 2007 From: justbill at gmail.com (Just Bill) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:33:55 -0400 Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating In-Reply-To: <20070825072143.HM.0000000000002sr@a-bruiexjr.bos-mail-wwl22.lycos.com> References: <20070825072143.HM.0000000000002sr@a-bruiexjr.bos-mail-wwl22.lycos.com> Message-ID: <61459d240708251233i7fc83b5ak54460a48cf9e1aea@mail.gmail.com> Have I ever done it, yes. Most motherboards will let you control the voltage and clock speed and others. Good enough for most apps? I would say that is questionable. That is very much going, all it really takes to get around is a 4 wheel small block engine to get around. Yes your right, but if I have big hills on occasion or a heavy load I need that 18 wheeler. Also why downclock, the energy savings would be negligible, and they have programs that will "step" your chip to slower speed when needed if you really wanted it. In fact, that is what most laptops do as well, when not plugged into the wall they "downshift" the processor to use less voltage to save on battery. So that awesome Quad 4 chip your bought running 3.4ghzis probably only running 1.5ghz when not plugged into the wall. My Dell 1.8ghz only runs at 770mhz when not connected to the power source. Now of course I can turn that feature off, but then I'd have like 20 minutes of battery life, but hey that would be one hell of a truly wireless Quake game I guess. My 2 cents, Just Bill On 8/25/07, Bruce Arkwright Jr. wrote: > > Bill, have you ever tried reducing the voltage and cpu frequence in half? > Good lord, the chips today are running at 3ghz, and 1ghz is good enough for > most apps. On Linux, I can not do it with the Transmeta cpu, I have, but the > cpu for amp and intel are supported, but I have not tried since I do not > have them. > > > "I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I > hope we don't have to wait 'til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. > I wish I had a few more years left." -- Thomas Edison > ------------------------------ > > *Looking for the Hottest New Ringtones?* > Find them at *Lycos Mobile*. > Get 10 Bonus Tones today! > > _______________________________________________ > wplug-erie mailing list > wplug-erie at wplug.org > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-erie > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug-erie/attachments/20070825/96280bae/attachment.html From a-bruiexjr at lycos.com Sun Aug 26 07:07:03 2007 From: a-bruiexjr at lycos.com (Bruce Arkwright Jr.) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [wplug-erie] dual boot laptop over heating Message-ID: <20070826070703.HM.0000000000002tI@a-bruiexjr.bos-mail-wwl22.lycos.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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