[wplug-board] request for new committee and mailing list

Beth Lynn bethlynn at wplug.org
Wed Dec 17 11:12:10 EST 2003


Hello,

During the meetings of November and December there has been alot
of interest from the attendees to help run meetings. The fruits
of these efforts are already evident. Non board members are stepping
up to be meeting co-hosts. Name tags are available for anyone who
asks. 

Meeting quality is definitely improving since I'm motivated to delegate
the responsibilities of running the meetings to willing and capable people.
Lots of great ideas as to how to run meetings to better serve the public
are coming from these attendees. Without their help, meetings would
certainly suffer since I can't run the show alone.

Unfortunately the -plan list is not a good method of recruiting volunteers
to help run meetings for the following reasons.
1. There have been claims from multiple people that they attempted to 
subscribe to -plan only to have their request rejected. These people
want to help run meetings and want to volunteer to speak at meetings
but that's hard to do if they aren't allowed to communicate. (Please
see attached forward below. This person has pledged to me to donate
krispy kreme donuts for all meetings that he will attend)
2. Very few folks on the -plan list is interested in attending meetings,
let alone helping out at meetings.
3. In my opinion the -plan list has become a suggestion box and a way
to make announcements regarding business matters. It is not necessarily
for suggestions and announcements regarding meetings. ie... if the
web group wanted to look for beta testers for a new area of the website
4. It may be intimidating for an attendee to announce to the -plan
a simple act of volunteering for something for one meeting only. 
ie ... "Hey I'm bringing donuts this Saturday"

It's quite difficult for me to get attendees who just show up that day
to make suggestions regarding meetings and do the work of running the 
meeting. They don't feel that the board would welcome meeting volunteers 
since all that is WPLUG would be subject to the boards approval.

Since the majority of the board is more interested in the virtual 
presence aspects of WPLUG (IRC, WWW, mailing list) and less interested 
in the physical presence aspects (ie meetings), it may be time for 
change. We need to put the ability to make decisions regarding 
meetings back into the hands of those who attend meetings and want to 
do the work.

I propose that we have a meetings committee. It would be formed of
a GUM chair, an installfest chair, a tutorial chair, and a special
events chair (if needed). Also those who want to help with the 
logistics of making meetings happen would also be members of this
committee. Board members and non board members would be welcome to
participate. We would  need a mailing list for this committee. Those
who are willing to actually do the work get to have a say but everyone
else can listen. This is the only way I can think of to allow those
who want to do the work to actually get stuff done without the fear
of stepping on the board's toes.

I do believe it's time to let the next generation step up to the 
challenge of running meetings. It truly isn't fair to those who
attend meetings for meetings to be run only by the direction of
the board when there's no expectation whatsoever for board members
to actually go to meetings.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not proposing that the board disband. It is
my opinion that the board sees meetings as a burden and having a
meetings committee would simply allow meetings to continue to happen
without the board having the obligation to run the show. Hopefully
this will allow the board to have the time to focus on the projects
that benefit WPLUG that each individual wants work on.

In the sort term the board could add new board members who were
gun-ho about meetings, however interests change. In order to secure
the future of meeting success is to form a committee of those who
are interested in meetings so that people can come an go but meetings
will continue to be run by people who are willing to do the work.

I'm sorry to rant on like this but I feel I needed to fully defend
the reasons for such a change.

If you have questions, please ask before voting.

Just to document exactly what is proposed here...

#1 A meetings committee shall be formed. It will comprise of a GUM chair,
Installfest chair, Tutorial chair, and a Special Events chair. It will
also have other committee members who are interested in helping run
meetings. Decisions pertaining to meetings will be made by the 
corresponding chairs with the advice from the rest of the meetings
committee. Only those who do the work will have a say. Everyone else
can just listen.

#2 Upon the approval of a meetings committee, a mailing list will be
formed to facilitate communications.

I vote Yea to both proposals.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Beth Lynn

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:24:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Beth Lynn <bethlynn at penguin.wplug.org>
To: jack earl <jackearl4 at hotmail.com>
Cc: bethlynn at cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: [wplug] RE: wplug digest, Vol 1 #1074 - 12 msgs

Hello,

First of all I wanted you to know that your help is appreciated very
much. 

I'm not sure what list you attempted to subscribe to, was it
-plan? If so, you aren't the first person to have this complaint.

Unfortunately I do not control the mailing lists, however I will
contact those who do and get back to you shortly.

Thanks alot,
Beth Lynn

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, jack earl wrote:

> hello, i am trrying to set up an with wplug, i have summited my address, and 
> have been told that i am an out sider, okay i can live with being an out 
> sider but, how can i talk to you and help with the meetings if there is no 
> way to talk to you. help me please. and thanks for the help
> 
> 
> >From: wplug-request at wplug.org
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Subject: wplug digest, Vol 1 #1074 - 12 msgs
> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:00:11 -0500
> >
> >Send wplug mailing list submissions to
> >	wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >	http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >	wplug-request at wplug.org
> >
> >You can reach the person managing the list at
> >	wplug-admin at wplug.org
> >
> >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >than "Re: Contents of wplug digest..."
> >
> >
> >Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Remote Serial Terminal (Weber, Larry A)
> >    2. RE: Remote Serial Terminal (Vanco, Don)
> >    3. RE: Remote Serial Terminal (Weber, Larry A)
> >    4. RE: Remote Serial Terminal (Vanco, Don)
> >    5. Anyone in Erie or Nearby (tazevedo at ma.rr.com)
> >    6. RHEL AS frustrations. (James O'Kane)
> >    7. RE: Remote Serial Terminal (Michael P. O'Connor)
> >    8. Compact Flash Directories (Tim Quinlan)
> >    9. Re: Compact Flash Directories (Eric C. Cooper)
> >   10. Re: Compact Flash Directories (Tim Quinlan)
> >   11. Re: Anyone in Erie or Nearby (David Ostroske)
> >   12. Re: Anyone in Erie or Nearby (Tony Azevedo)
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:22:52 -0500
> >From: "Weber, Larry A" <laweber at switch.com>
> >To: "'wplug at wplug.org'" <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >I am running RedHat on a desktop PC.  (I can use either 8, 9 or Fedora)
> >
> >I would like to be able to access the PC via a remote serial terminal.  
> >Does
> >anyone know if I will need to modify the kernel to do this?  I am assuming
> >this would be an RS-232 link.  Is it possible to easily do this with an
> >ethernet link?
> >
> >-laweber
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 2
> >From: "Vanco, Don" <don.vanco at agilysys.com>
> >To: "'wplug at wplug.org'" <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:33:08 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > > I am running RedHat on a desktop PC.  (I can use either 8, 9 or
> > > Fedora)
> > >
> > > I would like to be able to access the PC via a remote serial
> > > terminal.  Does anyone know if I will need to modify the kernel to do
> > > this? I am assuming this would be an RS-232 link.
> >No - you just need to add a getty to that port to allow a login.
> >
> > > Is it possible to
> > > easily do this with an ethernet link?
> >	I'm not clear on what you're doing here - are you looking to add a
> >"dumb terminal" or are you looking to add access for another computer on a
> >network?  If it's the latter, I believe that Linux has some tools to offer
> >connectivity via Ethernet.
> >
> >Don
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:46:18 -0500
> >From: "Weber, Larry A" <laweber at switch.com>
> >Subject: RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >To: "'wplug at wplug.org'" <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >I would like to use an old laptop as a dumb terminal.  The laptops I have
> >are too old or have too small of a hard drive to run Linux.  My big noisy
> >desktop sits in the basement.  I want a wired connection that would give me
> >a command line interface from a laptop to the desktop PC.
> >
> >I have seen this done with Linux embedded on PC/104 CPUs.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Vanco, Don [SMTP:don.vanco at agilysys.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, December 15, 2003 1:33 PM
> > > To:	'wplug at wplug.org'
> > > Subject:	RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> > >
> > > wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > > > I am running RedHat on a desktop PC.  (I can use either 8, 9 or
> > > > Fedora)
> > > >
> > > > I would like to be able to access the PC via a remote serial
> > > > terminal.  Does anyone know if I will need to modify the kernel to do
> > > > this? I am assuming this would be an RS-232 link.
> > > No - you just need to add a getty to that port to allow a login.
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to
> > > > easily do this with an ethernet link?
> > > 	I'm not clear on what you're doing here - are you looking to add a
> > > "dumb terminal" or are you looking to add access for another computer on 
> >a
> > > network?  If it's the latter, I believe that Linux has some tools to 
> >offer
> > > connectivity via Ethernet.
> > >
> > > Don
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wplug mailing list
> > > wplug at wplug.org
> > > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >From: "Vanco, Don" <don.vanco at agilysys.com>
> >To: "'wplug at wplug.org'" <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:31:37 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >Larry -
> >Take a look at the LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project.  By setting up a
> >TFTP server and providing a kernel image loadable via TFTP you breath new
> >life into less machines.  If the laptop cannot network boot you'll have to
> >have a boot floppy, but with a little reading you'll have it set up in no
> >time.
> >http://www.ltsp.org/
> >
> >There are also several diskette boot Linux installs that can at least get
> >you network connectivity and SSH - much easier than setting up LTSP, but a
> >lot less fun :)
> >
> >Don
> >
> >wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > > I would like to use an old laptop as a dumb terminal.  The laptops I
> > > have are too old or have too small of a hard drive to run Linux. My
> > > big noisy desktop sits in the basement.  I want a wired connection
> > > that would give me a command line interface from a laptop to the
> > > desktop PC.
> > >
> > > I have seen this done with Linux embedded on PC/104 CPUs.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From:	Vanco, Don [SMTP:don.vanco at agilysys.com]
> > >> Sent:	Monday, December 15, 2003 1:33 PM
> > >> To:	'wplug at wplug.org'
> > >> Subject:	RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> > >>
> > >> wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > >>> I am running RedHat on a desktop PC.  (I can use either 8, 9 or
> > >>> Fedora)
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to be able to access the PC via a remote serial
> > >>> terminal.  Does anyone know if I will need to modify the kernel to
> > >>> do this? I am assuming this would be an RS-232 link.
> > >> No - you just need to add a getty to that port to allow a login.
> > >>
> > >>> Is it possible to
> > >>> easily do this with an ethernet link?
> > >> 	I'm not clear on what you're doing here - are you looking to add a
> > >> "dumb terminal" or are you looking to add access for another
> > >> computer on a network?  If it's the latter, I believe that Linux has
> > >> some tools to offer connectivity via Ethernet.
> > >>
> > >> Don
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> wplug mailing list
> > >> wplug at wplug.org
> > >> http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wplug mailing list
> > > wplug at wplug.org
> > > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 5
> >From: tazevedo at ma.rr.com
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:36:43 -0500
> >Subject: [wplug] Anyone in Erie or Nearby
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >I am looking for anybody in the group who might be a little closer to
> >Erie than Pittsburgh.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 6
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:10:51 -0500 (EST)
> >From: "James O'Kane" <jo2y at midnightlinux.com>
> >To: WPLUG <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: [wplug] RHEL AS frustrations.
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >I'm working with a copy of RHEL Advanced Server 3 at home, and ran into
> >the problem that /usr/include/tcl.h was missing. After some searching,
> >I've found this:
> >http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101858
> >========
> >Summary:
> >Taroon isn't intended to be fully self-hosting in the packages shipped
> >with it; some of the -devel packages are removed  to limit ABI support
> >liability (keep customers/ISVs from using libraries that we don't want to
> >live with forever).
> >========
> >
> >Along with 12 bugs marked as duplicates, #12 is the tcl.h ticket.
> >This frustrates me because all I was trying to do was compile PostgreSQL,
> >something that used to be part of the distribution. I've found the Red Hat
> >blessed version that isn't part of the main 4 CD's, but on an 5th 'Extras'
> >CD. It seems I can get the -devel packages if I recompile the affected
> >SRPMS.
> >
> >I did't mind paying for this because it meant they were doing more of the
> >work, but in this case, I'm paying more, and getting more work to do.
> >
> >Frustrated at home
> >-james
> >
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 7
> >From: "Michael P. O'Connor" <m.p.oconnor at verizon.net>
> >To: <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:11:08 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >If you have at lest or more then 20Mbs (you might be able to go smaller, 
> >but
> >this is the smallest I have gone, there are some micro distros out there
> >that should be able to go smaller, but ask others on the group since I have
> >no experience with them) you can put a minimal install of Linux in that
> >would have ssh and about nothing more, then you could just ssh into the big
> >desktop.
> >
> >Michael P. O'Connor
> >m.p.oconnor at verizon.net
> >http://mikeoconnor.net
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: wplug-admin at wplug.org [mailto:wplug-admin at wplug.org] On Behalf Of
> >Weber, Larry A
> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:46 PM
> >To: 'wplug at wplug.org'
> >Subject: RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> >
> >I would like to use an old laptop as a dumb terminal.  The laptops I have
> >are too old or have too small of a hard drive to run Linux.  My big noisy
> >desktop sits in the basement.  I want a wired connection that would give me
> >a command line interface from a laptop to the desktop PC.
> >
> >I have seen this done with Linux embedded on PC/104 CPUs.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Vanco, Don [SMTP:don.vanco at agilysys.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, December 15, 2003 1:33 PM
> > > To:	'wplug at wplug.org'
> > > Subject:	RE: [wplug] Remote Serial Terminal
> > >
> > > wplug-admin at wplug.org wrote:
> > > > I am running RedHat on a desktop PC.  (I can use either 8, 9 or
> > > > Fedora)
> > > >
> > > > I would like to be able to access the PC via a remote serial
> > > > terminal.  Does anyone know if I will need to modify the kernel to do
> > > > this? I am assuming this would be an RS-232 link.
> > > No - you just need to add a getty to that port to allow a login.
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to
> > > > easily do this with an ethernet link?
> > > 	I'm not clear on what you're doing here - are you looking to add a
> > > "dumb terminal" or are you looking to add access for another computer on 
> >a
> > > network?  If it's the latter, I believe that Linux has some tools to 
> >offer
> > > connectivity via Ethernet.
> > >
> > > Don
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wplug mailing list
> > > wplug at wplug.org
> > > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >_______________________________________________
> >wplug mailing list
> >wplug at wplug.org
> >http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 8
> >From: Tim Quinlan <tim at techfocus.net>
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:14:46 -0500
> >Subject: [wplug] Compact Flash Directories
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >Hi,
> >I have a CF reader that i use to copy photos from CF cards.  After I
> >mount the CF reader the photos show up in /mnt/cf-reader/dcim/cannon
> >
> >As root this works fine, I can go in and look at the files.  But as a
> >normal user the dcim folder shows up as a regular file, and therefore I
> >cannot cd into it.
> >
> >Has anyone seen this before?  I'm using a Canon Powershot A40 and a PNY
> >CF reader.  I didn't have to do anything out of the ordinary to get the
> >reader working, just load the USB mass storage modules.  When I mount
> >the device all I do is
> >mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/cf-reader.
> >
> >Is there something I'm missing here?
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 9
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:21:36 -0500
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Subject: Re: [wplug] Compact Flash Directories
> >From: "Eric C. Cooper" <ecc at cmu.edu>
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 07:14:46PM -0500, Tim Quinlan wrote:
> > > I have a CF reader that i use to copy photos from CF cards.  After I
> > > mount the CF reader the photos show up in /mnt/cf-reader/dcim/cannon
> > >
> > > As root this works fine, I can go in and look at the files.  But as a
> > > normal user the dcim folder shows up as a regular file, and therefore I
> > > cannot cd into it.
> > > [...]
> > > When I mount the device all I do is
> > > mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/cf-reader.
> >
> >VFAT files don't really have user or group ids, so
> >instead you pick them for the whole filesystem at mount time:
> >
> >mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/cf-reader -o uid=yourlogin,gid=yourgroup
> >
> >--
> >Eric C. Cooper          e c c @ c m u . e d u
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 10
> >Subject: Re: [wplug] Compact Flash Directories
> >From: Tim Quinlan <tim at techfocus.net>
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:52:07 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >Thanks, that works
> >
> >On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 19:21, Eric C. Cooper wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 07:14:46PM -0500, Tim Quinlan wrote:
> > > > I have a CF reader that i use to copy photos from CF cards.  After I
> > > > mount the CF reader the photos show up in /mnt/cf-reader/dcim/cannon
> > > >
> > > > As root this works fine, I can go in and look at the files.  But as a
> > > > normal user the dcim folder shows up as a regular file, and therefore 
> >I
> > > > cannot cd into it.
> > > > [...]
> > > > When I mount the device all I do is
> > > > mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/cf-reader.
> > >
> > > VFAT files don't really have user or group ids, so
> > > instead you pick them for the whole filesystem at mount time:
> > >
> > > mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/cf-reader -o uid=yourlogin,gid=yourgroup
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 11
> >Subject: Re: [wplug] Anyone in Erie or Nearby
> >From: David Ostroske <eksortso at linuxmail.org>
> >To: wplug at wplug.org
> >Organization:
> >Date: 16 Dec 2003 01:56:35 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >
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> >On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 14:36, tazevedo at ma.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > > I am looking for anybody in the group who might be a little closer to
> > > Erie than Pittsburgh.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> >We've had some calls for starting an Erie LUG in the past. Nothing's
> >come of it yet. But dang it all, I'd like to see it happen!!
> >
> >Here are messages from our archives from folks in Erie looking to start
> >a group of their own. I have family halfway between Erie and Pittsburgh,
> >so I'm willing to be an intermediary, if you need help getting things
> >going up there in Erie.
> >http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html
> >http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html
> >http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html
> >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wplug mailing list
> > > wplug at wplug.org
> > > http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug
> >
> >--
> >David Ostroske <eksortso at linuxmail.org>
> >
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> >On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 14:36, tazevedo at ma.rr.com wrote:
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> ><PRE><FONT COLOR="#737373" SIZE="3"><I>I am looking for anybody in the 
> >group who might be a little closer to
> >Erie than Pittsburgh.
> >
> >Thanks</I></FONT></PRE>
> ></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><FONT SIZE="3">We've had some calls for starting an Erie LUG in the past. 
> >Nothing's come of it yet. But dang it all, I'd like to see it happen!!<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Here are messages from our archives from folks in Erie looking to start a 
> >group of their own. I have family halfway between Erie and Pittsburgh, so 
> >I'm willing to be an intermediary, if you need help getting things going up 
> >there in Erie.</FONT><BR>
> ><A 
> >HREF="http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html"><FONT 
> >SIZE="3">http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html</A><BR>
> ><A 
> >HREF="http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html">http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html</A><BR>
> ><A 
> >HREF="http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html">http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html</FONT></A><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
> ><PRE><FONT COLOR="#737373" 
> >SIZE="3"><I>_______________________________________________
> >wplug mailing list
> >wplug at wplug.org</FONT>
> ><A HREF="http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug"><FONT 
> >SIZE="3">http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug</I></FONT></A></PRE>
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> >-- <BR>
> >David Ostroske &lt;<A 
> >HREF="mailto:eksortso at linuxmail.org">eksortso at linuxmail.org</A>&gt;
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> >Message: 12
> >From: "Tony Azevedo" <tazevedo at ma.rr.com>
> >To: <wplug at wplug.org>
> >Subject: Re: [wplug] Anyone in Erie or Nearby
> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:21:19 -0500
> >Reply-To: wplug at wplug.org
> >
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
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> >
> >Dave,
> >
> >I agree with your thoughts.  I also would like to see a group started in =
> >Erie or at the least someplace closer than 125 miles.
> >
> >I read the previous posts that you sent me.  There was one person that =
> >actually posted his evening phone number in his message and I will try =
> >calling him this evening.
> >
> >I also feel that maybe an official group is not really needed at least =
> >at this point.  I would just like to get together with some link minded =
> >Linux folks.
> >
> >As I said in my previous post I am very new to Linux.  I just installed =
> >it the other day and am not trying to figure out how to use it.
> >
> >So I would ask again if there is anyone in the Erie area that would like =
> >to get together informally to talk about linux let me know.  If there =
> >are only three people so be it.
> >
> >Again Thank you
> >   ----- Original Message -----=20
> >   From: David Ostroske=20
> >   To: wplug at wplug.org=20
> >   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:56 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [wplug] Anyone in Erie or Nearby
> >
> >
> >   On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 14:36, tazevedo at ma.rr.com wrote:=20
> >I am looking for anybody in the group who might be a little closer to=20
> >Erie than Pittsburgh.
> >
> >ThanksWe've had some calls for starting an Erie LUG in the past. =
> >Nothing's come of it yet. But dang it all, I'd like to see it happen!!
> >
> >   Here are messages from our archives from folks in Erie looking to =
> >start a group of their own. I have family halfway between Erie and =
> >Pittsburgh, so I'm willing to be an intermediary, if you need help =
> >getting things going up there in Erie.
> >   http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html
> >   http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html
> >   http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >wplug mailing list
> >wplug at wplug.org
> >http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug-- David Ostroske =
> ><eksortso at linuxmail.org> =20
> >
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> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; CHARSET=3DUTF-8">
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with your thoughts.&nbsp; I =
> >also would like=20
> >to see a group started in Erie or at the least someplace closer than 125 =
> >
> >miles.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read the previous posts that you sent =
> >me.&nbsp;=20
> >There was one person that actually posted his evening phone number in =
> >his=20
> >message and I will try calling him this evening.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also feel that maybe an official =
> >group is not=20
> >really needed at least at this point.&nbsp; I would just like to get =
> >together=20
> >with some link minded Linux folks.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I said in my previous post I am very =
> >new to=20
> >Linux.&nbsp; I just installed it the other day and am not trying to =
> >figure out=20
> >how to use it.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I would ask again if there is anyone =
> >in the Erie=20
> >area that would like to get together informally to talk about linux let =
> >me=20
> >know.&nbsp; If there are only three people so be it.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again Thank you</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> >   <DIV=20
> >   style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> >black"><B>From:</B>=20
> >   <A title=3Deksortso at linuxmail.org =
> >href=3D"mailto:eksortso at linuxmail.org">David=20
> >   Ostroske</A> </DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dwplug at wplug.org=20
> >   href=3D"mailto:wplug at wplug.org">wplug at wplug.org</A> </DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, =
> >2003 1:56=20
> >   AM</DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [wplug] Anyone in =
> >Erie or=20
> >   Nearby</DIV>
> >   <DIV><BR></DIV>On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 14:36, <A=20
> >   href=3D"mailto:tazevedo at ma.rr.com">tazevedo at ma.rr.com</A> wrote:=20
> >   <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"><PRE><FONT color=3D#737373 size=3D3><I>I am =
> >looking for anybody in the group who might be a little closer to=20
> >Erie than Pittsburgh.
> >
> >Thanks</I></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D3>We've had some calls =
> >for=20
> >   starting an Erie LUG in the past. Nothing's come of it yet. But dang =
> >it all,=20
> >   I'd like to see it happen!!<BR><BR>Here are messages from our archives =
> >from=20
> >   folks in Erie looking to start a group of their own. I have family =
> >halfway=20
> >   between Erie and Pittsburgh, so I'm willing to be an intermediary, if =
> >you need=20
> >   help getting things going up there in Erie.</FONT><BR><A=20
> >   =
> >href=3D"http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html"><=
> >FONT=20
> >   =
> >size=3D3>http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008162.html</=
> >A><BR><A=20
> >   =
> >href=3D"http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html">h=
> >ttp://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-October/008230.html</A><BR><A=20
> >   =
> >href=3D"http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html"=
> > >http://wplug.org:8080/pipermail/wplug/2003-September/008034.html</FONT><=
> >/A><BR><BR>
> >   <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"><PRE><FONT color=3D#737373 =
> >size=3D3><I>_______________________________________________
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> >size=3D3>http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug</I></FONT></A></PRE>=
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> >width=3D"100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>-- <BR>David Ostroske &lt;<A =
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